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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:35 pm    Post subject: Four Door Herald! Reply with quote

I never knew such a thing existed. (Actually a Standard Herald, India)

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Frontal view leaves a little to be desired..


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard of them before, I think one or two have been shipped over in recent times, quite neat little cars and direct successors to the (four door) Standard Pennant.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess the car in first picture was a prototype but they felt that the roof was a bit weak using the original C post.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If memory serves the prototype was originally intended for the UK market but never put into production. Then someone realised that the two door Heralds weren't selling well in India because women wearing saris found it hard to get into the back seat, and so the four door body was produced for that market. Eventually they developed into quite different cars and were largely produced in India (where they were always badged as Standards) rather than being shipped out as kits. It could be an interesting project to ship one over and maybe put it on the road, but bearing in mind they were always on the weaker mk 1 chassis - redesigned later on to take a live axle at the rear - and only ever had the 948cc engine, it would probably be a fair amount of work.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
This is Wiki's take on it.
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International production

Triumph Heralds were exported all over the globe and assembled in a number of countries other than the United Kingdom, the separate chassis being used as a jig to assemble kits exported from Coventry. These cars were referred to as CKD – Complete Knock Down cars.

[edit] India

In the 1960s, Standard Motor Products of Madras, India manufactured Triumph Heralds with the basic 948 cc engine under the name Standard Herald, eventually with additional four-door saloon and five-door estate models exclusively for the Indian market. In 1971 they introduced a bodily restyled four-door saloon based on the Herald called the Standard Gazel, using the same 948 cc engine but with the axle changed to that of Toledo, avoiding the Herald's "swing-arm" which could not handle India's poor roads. The Gazel was discontinued in 1977.

In the large picture the front end looks like a Vitesse with the Sidelight/indicator in the place where the outboard headlight normally went.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bitumen Boy wrote:
If memory serves the prototype was originally intended for the UK market but never put into production. Then someone realised that the two door Heralds weren't selling well in India because women wearing saris found it hard to get into the back seat, and so the four door body was produced for that market. Eventually they developed into quite different cars and were largely produced in India (where they were always badged as Standards) rather than being shipped out as kits. It could be an interesting project to ship one over and maybe put it on the road, but bearing in mind they were always on the weaker mk 1 chassis - redesigned later on to take a live axle at the rear - and only ever had the 948cc engine, it would probably be a fair amount of work.


second photo is a UK car, so this back up what you wrote.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penman wrote:

In the large picture the front end looks like a Vitesse with the Sidelight/indicator in the place where the outboard headlight normally went.


That's basically what it was, I think the only special panel there is the one that blanks off the twin headlamp aperture and takes that odd lighting setup. I've seen that picture before but only just noticed those side/indicator lamps look like the ones fitted to "normal" early Heralds, wonder if they were old stock being used up?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like that
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were even four door estates. Also made in India by Standard. Bill Davies (from www.stanpart.co.uk) has imported a four door Herald estate from India a few years ago.

There's a good topic (long!) on Indian Heralds on the Club Triumph forum, in the Herald / Vitesse section.
http://club.triumph.org.uk/cgi-bin/forum10/Blah.pl/Blah.pl?m-1224505569/s-0/
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks much better with the Vitesse lamps. Club Triumph thread is interesting too, although not being a member I was deprived most of the photos. The UK rear lamp/tail looks much better than the modified estate tail shown on the one caged up in India.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter's first photo is, in fact, a mock-up for the first Triumph 2000. The second photo is the prototype Herald 4-door which ultimately went to India.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikeC wrote:
Peter's first photo is, in fact, a mock-up for the first Triumph 2000. The second photo is the prototype Herald 4-door which ultimately went to India.


I cannot vouch for or question what you say. But there are definitely subtle differences in the bodies - maybe in scale too.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Jim,

Yes, an obvious one is strengthening the C post which I guess is understandable.

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