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Rick Site Admin
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 22429 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:53 pm Post subject: Triumph, Riley, Wolseley - ever to return? |
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Are any of these "parked" marques ever likely to re-surface I wonder, or are they best left to the past? I think I'd have preferred "MG" to have disappeared quietly, rather than soldier on with badges being glued to the back of (largely) Chinese hatchbacks and saloons (employment opportunities for the Midlands excepted).
Do returns after a period of absence ever really work?
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7113 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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For me the design evolution of old British marques is interesting but applying these names to modern car production is completely meaningless.
Peter _________________ http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk
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Rootes75
Joined: 30 Apr 2013 Posts: 3788 Location: The Somerset Levels
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed, just applying a badge is meaningless without the British Engineering and development to back it as per the originals. _________________ Various Rootes Vehicles. |
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Keith D
Joined: 16 Oct 2008 Posts: 1127 Location: Upper Swan, Western Australia
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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About the only thing I have ever agreed with Clarkson on, is his question, "why is there no British car manufacturing business in Britain today?"
British automotive engineers are up there with any other nation in car development. There are many UK specialists who provide design and development for the Japanese and the German industries.
If the BRITISH car manufacturing industry ever surfaces in the UK again, then I would be very happy to see and support names like Austin, Morris, Wolseley, Riley and Triumph again, but not otherwise.
Keith _________________ 1926 Chrysler 60 tourer
1932 Austin Seven RN long wheelbase box sedan
1950 Austin A40 tourer
1999 BMW Z3
Its weird being the same age as old people.
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alanb
Joined: 10 Sep 2012 Posts: 516 Location: Berkshire.
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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If only our British manufacturers of the past worked during the 60s 70s & 80s as the present day manufacturers work (Nissan, Toyota & Honda) our famed old names would still be around, our mass producers of family cars are now second to none in output and workmanship, it's just a shame they are all foreign owned. _________________ old tourer
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Rootes75
Joined: 30 Apr 2013 Posts: 3788 Location: The Somerset Levels
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Those strikes and shortages of the 60's/70's essentially killed the British Industry. I remember ready the history of Rootes and some of the actions of the various workforces is unthinkable now. Such a shame in hindsight. _________________ Various Rootes Vehicles. |
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badhuis
Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 1390 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed, unions and strikes did not work out well. But don't forget that Bad Management and Bad Marketing probably had a bigger portion in the demise of the old marques.
Reviving old marques would do nothing for me, or for the newer generation(s) so why would anyone bother? It may work for something like TVR which was alive not decades ago (I wish them the very best). _________________ a car stops being fun when it becomes an investment |
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Ellis
Joined: 07 Mar 2011 Posts: 1382 Location: Betws y Coed, North Wales
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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I think I'm correct in saying that BMW hold the rights to the all the old names : Triumph, Riley, Morris, Austin and Wolseley.
The last attempt or plan to use the Riley name was for a planned three door coupe version of the Rover 75. It was the idea of the head of BMW owned Rover cars. One or two examples were built but the plan was not proceeded with.
There have been rumours of a new Triumph sports car by BMW but I believe no more than a rumour.
Who owns the Rover name?
Tata or BMW? _________________ Starting Handle Expert
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ukdave2002
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4100 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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I knew a few people who worked at Vauxhall's Ellesmere plant; well into the 80's they still had unofficial rooms on the factory floor with dart boards and card tables.....GM sent a Spanish General Manager over, who sorted the plant out, how he controlled the union I don't know, probably some simple straight talking " if we don't change we won't have a factory"
In the meantime the Japanese did a brilliant job of taking the best of what everyone else did and continually improving upon it.
Triumph & Riley marquees are owned by BMW, the other BMC marques by Nanjing, I think the brands have been dead for too long to have any marketing pull on new cars, and it would only be a badge.
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