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1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mk1
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peter scott



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still have memories of an MOT tester showing me how he could poke his screwdriver into part 17 on UJ's chart on my Alpine and giving me that disapproving look. Fortunately I was able to demonstrate that he could poke it in an identical location in part 18 Laughing and it was firmly small and circular.

He just hadn't poked the right areas it really was rusty but it got through on that occasion. Rolling Eyes

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Dirty Habit



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of those pictures reminded me of my Checker cab rebuild. Virtually the whole lower six inches of the the main body was replaced and I had no replacement panels. What helped was the fact that it had a robust frame and I built a temporary frame inside the car, a little like a giant roll bar.
It worked because all the doors when replaced opened and shut.
Perhaps you could do something similar using angle iron and tubing fixed to all the critical points such as door pillars and so on.
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pigtin



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An angle grinder with thin cutting discs, lots of new panels, lots of welding wire and lots of time and patience. looks very much like the problems faced restoring my Sprite.
I managed to work on the underside by raising the back, as far as it would go, with an engine hoist. It looks a really worthwhile project you have.

Don.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isnt the fixture that you are discussing an auto rotisserie?
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XL391



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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to be back Gents. Anywat, I cleared the garage out a couple of months ago until all that was left was 1 Sunbeam Tiger & her associated parts. Here are a few pics from that day:





This is the engine blank off a Vulcan bomber by the way, in case you were wondering...





Because she is easily accessible, I will drag her out this Saturday and get some detailed pics for you, then you can see just how bad she is... Sad
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XL391



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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:06 am    Post subject: Got my work cut out... Reply with quote

Right, here we go then, click on each picture for the full size version:


This is the OSF wing behind the wheel;


OS sill, or rather the lack of it, looking under the car showing the cruciform and the NS sill;


These two images are showing the inner wings taken through the holes for the headlights, OS first, NS second;



The Ford small block V8, taken through the front grille opening;


The scuttle area behind the bonnet;


The boot floor looking underneath the car showing the rear springs;


These show the inside rear wings where the fuel tanks sit on either side. In the first shot, the left hand side, the rear light cluster is to the left of shot;


Photo showing the cruciform taken from the OSR wheel;


Driver side floor showing area around the pedals and the inner sill area;


Interior/Dashboard;


Back to bed;


And my two together, well, sort of...


See, I told you she was in a bad way... Rolling Eyes Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting pics XL, like you say a big job but at least you can focus on one big project, rather than having several in pieces at one time. What is the availability of repair panels like for the Alpine/Tiger?

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Used to know a guy with a Tiger back in the 60s always complaining of his engine catching fire, apparently a common fault with the carbs.
The cars were often seen with a blackened bonnet tops.
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XL391



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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick wrote:
Very interesting pics XL, like you say a big job but at least you can focus on one big project, rather than having several in pieces at one time. What is the availability of repair panels like for the Alpine/Tiger?

Rick


To be honest Rick, panel availability is ok, apart from the cost of some of them!! I'm led to believe that the quality of the panels can vary wildly between the various specialists around the country so it certainly pays to find out just who the best suppliers are. I asked for a catalogue from one a couple of weeks ago which still hasn't arrived so first impressions of that one aren't too good straight away!! The first things on the shopping list is a pair of good rust free doors from the good ol' US of A as these need to be hung to get all the panel gaps to match up when the sills are cut out and replaced.

I was also thinking, considering the appaling condition of the sills on her, of building an angle iron frame inside her before cutting any metal away, I think someone may have mentioned this previously in the above posts. You can see why she would need shotblasting/acid dipping as well... Shocked

Will


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pigtin wrote:
Hi, Used to know a guy with a Tiger back in the 60s always complaining of his engine catching fire, apparently a common fault with the carbs. The cars were often seen with a blackened bonnet tops.


Yeah Pigtin, this is definately no myth as it happened to my dad on one hot summers day!!

It is something to do with vibration affecting the float chamber/needles on the Ford Autolite Carburettor. Someone in the club did tell me exactly what it was but he just said it's better to remove the carb and slap a nice 4-barrel Holley on it!! He said that if you timed it right, you could suck the fire back into the bowels of the engine by doing something like turn the ignition off and rev at the same time as you turn the ignition back on. You'd get a very loud bang from the pipes as well!! I'd imagine that wouldn't be too healthy tho... Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

XL391 wrote:
... I was also thinking, considering the appaling condition of the sills on her ...


I saw the solution to this problem only yesterday, enacted by someone deft at carpentry - yes, wooden sills fitted in place of rusty steel ones. Apparently the MOT man never spotted them, so well were they shaped and fitted, although as long as there is no corrosion, and not too close to a suspension mounting, does it matter? saying that the car hasn't been on the road for many years Smile

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:23 pm    Post subject: Tiger Reply with quote

Back in the mid 60's I used to collect new cars from a compound at George Heath motors on the Coventry Rd in Birmingham. I first saw this black U.S. spec. Tiger just after they had put a fresh layer of shale over the ground and this Tiger appeared fresh from the factory with that layer of wax all over the paint. Well, week after week turning to month after month, that Tiger sat there. The grass and weeds eventually broke through the surface and all around the Tiger, and the wax layer was thick with dirt. It looked awful. I reckon it was there for at least nine months.
Then one day it was gone. I asked the guy in the shed where we got our keys, " Where's the Tiger? He told me it had been towed out that morning to the workshop for a clean up and was being shipped to California.
I always wondered about that car and the owner. Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

XL391 wrote:
pigtin wrote:
Hi, Used to know a guy with a Tiger back in the 60s always complaining of his engine catching fire, apparently a common fault with the carbs. The cars were often seen with a blackened bonnet tops.


Yeah Pigtin, this is definately no myth as it happened to my dad on one hot summers day!!

It is something to do with vibration affecting the float chamber/needles on the Ford Autolite Carburettor. Someone in the club did tell me exactly what it was but he just said it's better to remove the carb and slap a nice 4-barrel Holley on it!! He said that if you timed it right, you could suck the fire back into the bowels of the engine by doing something like turn the ignition off and rev at the same time as you turn the ignition back on. You'd get a very loud bang from the pipes as well!! I'd imagine that wouldn't be too healthy tho... Twisted Evil

Will


Hi there,

I am new to the forum but not classic cars and had a tiger many years ago that I restored. I loved it but had to sell due to other commitments and have always said I would buy another some day? I have started mixing in tiger circles again and rejoined STOC so I can expand my knowledge of these great cars!

Hows things comming along with the restoration of your car Will? It certainly looks like you have your work "cut out" but will be well worth the effort in the end?

Regards
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk/
http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/
http://alpine.forumup.com/index.php?mforum=alpine&sid=96026078eb1b5bd6f54a6b41d71c210c
These are a few links that might be a help. If you want any more let me know. good luck!
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get too excited! Nothing of note has happened yet but she is moving to my lock up in the next few weeks. I'm hoping to start work in Autumn/Winter time, straight after I've finished work on the black Jaguar I'm working on (thread in the Jaguar section). A couple of years ago I was seriously considering selling to get a TVR Chimaera, I'm glad I didn't! A long road ahead though...






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