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Jim.Walker



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:01 pm    Post subject: Thunder Day Reply with quote

This Sunday April 1st is Thunder Day at Elvington Air Museum, Near York. If anyone is interested.
Jet and piston engines on various planes spanning the history of aviation will be run. They also have the only surviving example of a Halifax Bomber. Sadly though, put together from bits and pieces from many others as a static exhibit..
Sounds good - and noisy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really interesting place, I called by there a year or two back and spent a merry couple of hours having a mooch around.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very interesting day. Many interesting exhibits, but the "Thunder" was a little disappointing.
I'm afraid standing beside a Victor being deafened by a noise which cannot be distinguished from that heard daily at many civil airports becomes boring by lack of visual action after the engines wind up.
The Bucanner could not be started, but that seemed to be a problem with the auxilliary starter not the aircraft.
The replica SE 5A was run up but sounded more like a Ford Vee engine with no exhaust silencers rather than the more usual Wolseley Vee engine with a lot more cylinders. In fact a closer inspection later revealed it had a modern (Ford?) Vee engine - shame. In fact the whole aircraft was rather thrown together and the aileron hinges looked to be stamped out ex-B&Q items. Rather a shame as from a distance it looked quite evocative. Perhaps I am biased by the fact that I saw and heard a genuine SE 5A with Wolseley engine fly at Old Warden last year.
However, while I think the "Thunder" was disappointing, seeing the exhibits was not, and Elvington is well worth a visit anytime.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, I have to say being sat under the wing tip of the Victor at Brunty last year when it was fired up is something that'll remain with me for a long time. I like the sound of old jets Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick wrote:
Interesting, I have to say being sat under the wing tip of the Victor at Brunty last year when it was fired up is something that'll remain with me for a long time. I like the sound of old jets Smile

RJ


I'm with Jim on this one, all jets sound much the same - some blades whizzing around, a big garden paraffin weed burner and air rushing through a tube a varying speeds! I've spent thousands of hours next to the squealing things and I always wish I had been born 40 years ago to be around the piston engines!

Skip to 1.00 and listen to the Griffon Smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EcCYA68m_w&list=FLpcoLy-nL6lrdx0DaPoTrEQ&index=16&feature=plpp_video

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julian wrote:
Rick wrote:
Interesting, I have to say being sat under the wing tip of the Victor at Brunty last year when it was fired up is something that'll remain with me for a long time. I like the sound of old jets Smile

RJ


I'm with Jim on this one, all jets sound much the same - some blades whizzing around, a big garden paraffin weed burner and air rushing through a tube a varying speeds! I've spent thousands of hours next to the squealing things and I always wish I had been born 40 years ago to be around the piston engines!

Skip to 1.00 and listen to the Griffon Smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EcCYA68m_w&list=FLpcoLy-nL6lrdx0DaPoTrEQ&index=16&feature=plpp_video

Julian.


Agree with the sound of piston engines 100%, but also like whistly early jets too, reminds me of planespotting and airshow visits in the 70s Cool

(Just got Johnny Cash playing right now, I'll check out your link later Wink)

RJ
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never heard a 747 sound like this, but not been to an comercial airport for a few years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4TE6-XyiW8
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger-hatchy wrote:
Never heard a 747 sound like this, but not been to an comercial airport for a few years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4TE6-XyiW8


I agree - impressive!
But then I've never heard a Starfighter sitting on the ground with the engine(s?) running. I'll bet they don't sound like that.
I lived close to RAF Witton for years. Close enough to see and hear Victors take off regularly. The fantastic sound as they climbed "Vulcan Style" (and they did) was very different to the sound of the static Victor at Leverton.
And, in fact it physically felt as if you were being hammered feet first into the ground, pile driver fashion.
We were also on the flight path of aircraft landing at RAF Alconbury. Mostly Phantoms which made the most horrendous sound as they bled air over the wings to sustain slow speed flight. Every one also b*******d
up the TV reception for about 30 seconds!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember a Starfighter air display from many years ago. It was at a US air force base - Mildenhall maybe, my memory has failed but it featured a pair of Luftwaffe Starfighters.

A bog standard display, featuring the Starfighter's turning circle which is about half a county! Anyway, one part of the display was designed to show the speed differential between slow and fast flight, so:

1, Starfighter number one flies along the crowd line as slow as possible, nose right up in the air and remaining aloft c/o a lot of thrust from the engine pointing downwards.

2, Starfighter number two does the same but at high speed, the intention is to overtake number one mid crowd line.

However Starfighter number two seriously over eggs the pudding and goes supersonic. The resulting bang set off hundreds of car alarms and had many of the crowd (women and children) screaming! 'twas a good day out Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julian wrote:
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However Starfighter number two seriously over eggs the pudding and goes supersonic. The resulting bang set off hundreds of car alarms and had many of the crowd (women and children) screaming! 'twas a good day out Very Happy

Julian.


Now that sounds like fun Smile memories of vertical Lightning climbs at Woodford!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can remember four Vulcan's doing a scramble in Singapore.
All four doing a tail stand and disappearing out of sight.
We were about five miles out from the end of the runway at R.A.F Tengah on a radar sight, not Buket Gombat (spelling) that was RAF.

Even the hill was shaking.

Another aircraft that had a distinctive howl was the Javelin.
This was due to the long tail pipes.

Back in Germany later we saw a lot of F104's, or heard them, along with most other 1960's NATO aircraft.

The R.A.F. were, and still are, the best at low level.
I was with an air defence regiments and out on exercises the R.A.F passes were the only times we had to depress the guns to follow them.

But like most still prefer the sound of a prop, even turbo prop, like the double mamba.
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