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whiteshadow



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:59 pm    Post subject: Paint Restoration Reply with quote

I've got an old '33 barn find. The paintwork has a wonderful age to it (see the thumbnail to the left!), with the colours all subtle and faded, and the pin stripe (now cream) fading in an out along the sides.

It looks good for an old car, except for some blistering and missing paint down to the metal.

I'm getting a a bit fed up seeing cars at shows which have a screamingly shiny paint job, and look like they were made yesterday and sprayed with two-pack.

So....I was thinking of doing some conservation on the paint, rather than just strip and spray. Anybody got any ideas?..Done it??
How would I get rid of the blisters?/Bare patches and blend it in??
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I quite agree, far too many pre war cars are far too shiny, I had a similar dilemma on mine (I think mine might have been worse than yours) when I looked into doing the same my options were to preserve as is (oily rag) or repaint. It would not be possible to spray or patch at all with the original paint type and age/degradation. I eventually chose to coach paint with proper coach paint by hand, and the result whilst nice , also has a proper period feel to it (IMHO) It is quite easy, cheap and very satisfying, although by choice I would have left my paint original - good luck with whatever you decide
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any chance of some photos showing your car whiteshadow?

Conservation rules imho, and I bet while you're surrounded by bright shiny pre-war cars at shows, it's the original-looking ones that get the most interest from passers by. I'm not sure how successful you'd be blending in patches here and there, it could end up looking worse.

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whiteshadow



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:02 pm    Post subject: Paint 'n' stuff Reply with quote

put some pics here:- (hope it works!)

http://s1084.photobucket.com/albums/j418/oldred05/

I'm interested in coach painting, as what I've seen it seems to look 'softer' and not as flat/perfect. But people have said it's a pain...how hard was it to do??

Timstopp where are you in Colchester?...I'm near Layer Marney.

http://s1084.photobucket.com/albums/j418/oldred05/?albumview=slideshow

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that looks fabulous Smile




I'd oily rag it, replace the glass where necessary, find some suitable tyres, sort the mechanicals, and leave the cosmetics alone. If you re-paint it, then it "shows up" the chrome, and then you start to think about a re-trim inside so that it all looks in keeping. Before you know it the costs will have spiralled, and a lot of the car's originality will have gone forever.

So long as structurally it's bob-on, I'd be very inclined to preserve it wherever possible as-is.

Great pics Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS I bought this Austin 10/4 a while back, in similar condition. Someone re-painted it in the 1950s, and the original paint shows in places, but I quite like the look of it. I cleaned and oily-ragged it. When I re-commission it, the plan is to keep it looking pretty much like it looks now, albeit with some tyres on it and a new hood Smile



Someone recently sent me photos of a pre-war Humber in un-touched state too, and it looks like it'd respond very well to a similar treatment. A '32 Austin not far from here has its original paint and gets an annual wipe-over with WD40, and looks like a real time-warp car, original to the last rope door pull (bar service items).

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:59 pm    Post subject: Restoration Reply with quote

The mechanicals etc will be top-spec...

I can't wait to drive it. Got a 1947 Singer Roadster which keeps the blood pumping, but saloon really is a 'Time Warp' - Stood for 55 years -even the headlining and rear blind are original. I certainly don't want it looking like this '33 saloon

http://www.picturearchive.co.za/Images/large_1933+Singer+Nine+Saloon+f.jpg

Lovely though it is, it seems to have lost it's soul.
(and another thing, why do they never put the pin striping back - these little details are what make it!)

Just want a way to keep the worn patches, while reducing the effects of defects such as blisters. But I'll probably give it a go with the body as is, and I can always do the full pimp if it doesn't work out.

I realise it maybe me, but I just find that the highly polished classics don't seem real. Equally it does have to look like a car, not just a resto project.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks a treat.
Be a shame to lose the originality.
As said, all polish and shiny restorations are OTT, and not even what the originals looked like.

Rick There is almost a twin to your little Austin in Margate.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't tried it, but this stuff looks as though it could be just the job for 'oily rag' preservation: -

http://www.morrislubricants.co.uk/scripts/prodview.asp?idcat=81&idProduct=92

Not sure how easy it would be to get a single can, but you could ask Morris if there was someone in your area that uses it and get some from them. They are very helpful like that.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may have read it on this forum. I am sure that someone like Eastwood's had brought out some coating to preserve that "patina" look.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:20 pm    Post subject: paint conservation Reply with quote

I'ld try a product like a conservation wax, to preserve the patina on old paint......

we used it for some of the interior work on the chip van we restored for Beamish Museum. actually on wood, but I think it should be ok on painted metal.

If fotopic was working i'ld link to an image......
but it isn't so I can't, sorry!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've noticed that since the cold weather etc some micro blisters have come up on some of the doors on my Rover.They don't contain and fluid or water but look a nit unsightlt when the light catches them from the side.
I'm assuming they wont go away and rubbing down to the coat underneath and respraying is the only way to get rd of them,anyone any thoughts?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Microblisters are usually caused by water in the airlines when painting. For some reason unknown to me they don't appear straight after painting but some time later
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've noticed a few more now the weathers getting hotter,I guess the only way is to take that layer of paint off completely.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much any polish you use is going to remove some paint to a degree.
I would give it a good poilish and once your happy with the brightness of the colour, protect the polish with a good carnuba based was protection, then all you need to do is clean the car occasionally and re-apply the wax protection.
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