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whiteshadow



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:58 pm    Post subject: Getting a restoration an exhaust? MOT etc? Reply with quote

Even though I've got a while to go yet, I have been mulling over a couple of questions.....

Once I get the engine working how do I get a decent exhaust (s.steel?)? If I can't order a complete system on-line, do I have to buy bits and build a race exhaust with cherry bomb on my 970cc engine?......or TRAILER it to confused grease monkey exhaust shop....or drive a very noisy car to the exhaust shop?

How do you do a road test, when you are only covered to drive to the MOT station?......how do you declare off SORN when you can't get tax without an MOT??..............am I over thinking this?

Cheers!
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Uncle Alec



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On what?
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ukdave2002



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

You don't need an MOT to SORN. Road test would either have to be with trade plates or on private land, you can drive to and from a local (technically I think its supposed to be the closest) without an MOT or Tax, you must have insurance and the car must be roadworthy.

There are a number of firms who will make you an exhaust either from one of their own patterns, or from your rusty pile of bits or from a diagram.

CES one of the big UK suppliers have patterns for most classics, they will deliver nationally, not sure where you are based? JP exhausts in Maclesfield will make up from a pattern, Earlpart list the cars they have patterns for on their website.... if you Google I'm sure you will find a local supplier.

If you just need repair sections there are suppliers on eBay who supply silencers, straight pipe and angle sections.

Dave
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Julian



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:
Hi

You don't need an MOT to SORN.

Dave


Dave, I think you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick, the question was to declare off sorn.

Anyway, here's the procedure:

1. Insure the vehicle for the road
2. Pre-book your MOT at a convenient test station [1] [2]

Drive the car down and get MOT, then go to Post office (or on-line) and buy road tax.

[1] It doesn't have to be the nearest station, but don't take the michael by booking in to one 50 miles away!
[2] Make absolutely certain that you give the station your car make/model/reg, get the name of a responsible person at the station and carry the phone number - so if you get pulled by pc plod with his ANPR equipped jam butty you can resolve the situation very easily.

Julian.
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whiteshadow



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:39 pm    Post subject: Exhausted Reply with quote

Thanks!
...I was wondering in my quieter moments....you know, up there with the vision of me driving down empty country lanes in my little car- Even though it's probably a year or two away!

The car by the way is a 1933 Singer 9 Saloon.

The question about the exhaust still puzzles me. What do people do when its an uncommon model of car and the original exhaust is a pile of rust??

Should I start saving baked bean cans to make an interim one to get me to the exhaust center.......but then I couldn't do that because I wouldn't have got the MOT without one!
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Uncle Alec



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where you is? I have a NOS Morris 8 silencer you can have, and sundry bits of pipe.
If you can trace the manifold - front pipe interface we can see if anything proprietory is around.
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whiteshadow



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the offer!

Bit far I'm afraid, Colchester Essex
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whiteshadow



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:37 pm    Post subject: Exhaust Parts Reply with quote

To be honest, I'd be happy if I could find a site which did component parts. The only ones I've turned up so far would mean an exhaust with lots of joints (8-10) or a drainpipe exhaust for a boy racer.
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Julian



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: Exhaust Parts Reply with quote

whiteshadow wrote:
To be honest, I'd be happy if I could find a site which did component parts. The only ones I've turned up so far would mean an exhaust with lots of joints (8-10) or a drainpipe exhaust for a boy racer.


Any of the exhaust manufacturers (like Bosal) do (or did) stock silencers and straight pipes etc in their catalogues. A hydraulic tube bender ex Machine Mart doesn't cost much. You need to be handy with MIG or TIG I would think.

Julian.
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ukdave2002



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Sorry I misread your SORN question Embarassed

Have you tried the Singer Owners club; they may have a spares service, or at least know who has a pattern to make a system up?

If you are going to make your own, I'd imagine the down pipe from the manifold would be the most tricky, it probably has the most complex bends and has to incorporate the flange that couples to the manifold. As Julian has commented a hydraulic bender is not that expensive, a pipe expander (allows you to joint pipes of the same diameter), can be picked up for about £20, if its anything like my Morris 8 exhaust, its in 3 sections. The pipe is 1 1/4" (32mm) pipe can be bought in 3m lengths, silencers are available with either, clamp or weld fittings, the Morris 8 pipe also originally had a flexible joint at the bottom of the down pipe section, these are available, and allows for a degree error if the down pipe bend is not perfect.

I did look a making my own pipe for the M8, but then found they were available without a pattern from CES (its worth calling them), I bought a mild steel one , and then some years later had a stainless steel one made up, using the mild steel one as a pattern .

Dave
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ukdave2002



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Link for CES (Chester Exhaust Supplies)

http://www.cesuk.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=67&Itemid=24

I know they look from the website like the last place that would make you a 1933 singer system!, I have dealt with them off and on since they started in the 80's, the owners are enthusiasts and have a policy of never saying no... so it would be interesting to put them to the test with this one!

Dave


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Julian



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:
but I have dealt with them since they started in the 80's, the owners are enthusiasts and have a policy of never saying no... so it would be interesting to put them to the test with this one!

Dave


Interesting point regarding CES. My experience with the Northwich branch has been indifferent to say the least. I don't have an account or business so normally use the 'trade' counter. The final straw came when they wanted about £15 for an Astra oil filter. (just a paper element, like 'int old days) Fast Parts, around the corner, wanted about £3 for a genuine Motaquip one.

I haven't used CES for the last 3 years as a consequence. An ex CES employee confirmed my suspicions in that they are not interested in trade counter business and charge silly money for stuff if they can.

Julian.
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whiteshadow



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:46 am    Post subject: Pipe Reply with quote

I'm good with a MIG etc..

It’s obviously not an insurmountable problem, and can easily be solved by the liberal application of cash. - Trailering to a specialist fitter etc.

I’m a member of both Singer clubs, who I know would bend over backwards to help. I just figured that this was a common problem, and wondered how it was normally solved......if there was a company who could supply generic pipes and bends etc.

The discussion is good....Thank you
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ukdave2002



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julian wrote:
ukdave2002 wrote:
but I have dealt with them since they started in the 80's, the owners are enthusiasts and have a policy of never saying no... so it would be interesting to put them to the test with this one!

Dave


Interesting point regarding CES. My experience with the Northwich branch has been indifferent to say the least. I don't have an account or business so normally use the 'trade' counter. The final straw came when they wanted about £15 for an Astra oil filter. (just a paper element, like 'int old days) Fast Parts, around the corner, wanted about £3 for a genuine Motaquip one.

I haven't used CES for the last 3 years as a consequence. An ex CES employee confirmed my suspicions in that they are not interested in trade counter business and charge silly money for stuff if they can.

Julian.



Well Whiteshadow can but ask, if they come back with a silly quote...walk away,

From memory my Morris 8 mild steel pipe was about £120 ( 10 years ago), which was expensive compared to say a post war minor system , however I was in a similar position as Whiteshadow, my original exhaust was a series of repairs and non standard bits so I was prepared to pay for it.

The stainless one from SP cost about double about 2 years ago.

I used to deal with the CES Chester office; the original one, and also where the fabrication takes place, so you can get to talk to proper folk, not just counter staff Very Happy

Its a shame when firms grow and the original principles don't seem to filter down Sad

Dave
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Kelsham



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made the last one for my BSA three wheeler. I filled a pipe with dried sand plugged the end and heated and bent round a former.That took care of the downpipe, Make sure the sand is dried in the oven first, any dampness can be very dangerous.

I bought a silencer from an autojumble and used what was left of the pipe as the tail.

The BSA front wheel drive club would probably have some parts if I enquired these days.

Most car clubs seem to be able to help with spares. Have you approached the relevant club spares secretaries?

Kels.
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