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Commer racing car transporter (1950)
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Rick
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

roverdriver wrote:
Very interesting Commer, Rick. I'm glad it is no longer a Full Stop! It will be fascinating to see how the restoration progresses. You are a bold man taking on another oversize job!


It's a long-term thing, as you know I've a few other things on the boil right now, but I had to get it really. I'm hoping that it won't be as involved as the other one, if nothing else finding parts should be a little more straightforward.

RJ
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is wonderful Rick, well done for rescuing it! Looks a great candidate for an 'oily-rag' resto Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've fully read the article now Rick, lovely story and great find. Whereabouts in Somerset was it if that's not being too nosy, I wonder if it was far from us here in Glastonbury?
Looking at the pics the inside of the cab looks tidy, it has the same steering wheel and horn push as my 1950 Mk1 Commer QX. Good luck with it and it just goes to show that patience can prove crucial in saving some of these vintage vehicles.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rootes75 wrote:
I've fully read the article now Rick, lovely story and great find. Whereabouts in Somerset was it if that's not being too nosy, I wonder if it was far from us here in Glastonbury?...


Quite close, near Langport.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not far from us at all then. Amazing what can still be found.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have a thread running for your QX? it'd be interesting to read about it.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Work on clearing ground prior to a driveway extension, on which to accommodate the Commer better, commenced over the weekend. Various bushes were removed, and a small tree - which was too close to the existing garage anyway - had to go.

After that, the old girl was towed 20ft or so to make way for the mini-digger driver who arrived this morning, to begin groundwork for the new gravel section.

With that done yesterday, time to play. The spark plugs were (eventually) removed and a drop of diesel poured into each cylinder. The rocker cover was also removed. Happily it's very clean under there, so the rocker assemblies were given an oiling, then the engine turned over a few times with the handle.



Accessing the rear plugs is pretty awkward, with the original sidevalve lump it'd have been a whole lot easier as the plugs would be on top rather than in the side of the head.



New HT leads with replacement caps will be made up shortly. An oil change won't harm either, although the oil looks clean.

Is this the engine that later, ohv, Superpoises were fitted with?

RJ
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick wrote:


Is this the engine that later, ohv, Superpoises were fitted with?

RJ


That certainly looks the same as that in The Motor Trader service info. The plugs are certainly on the same side.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick,

Do you venture on to Howard Pettigrews site 'Commer Connections'? Very useful.

I presume yours is the 'S' type Superpoise?

http://www.commer.org.nz/TheProducts/TheTrucks/CommerPostWar/SuperpoiseSHeavy/SuperpoiseSHeavy.html
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rootes75 wrote:
Rick,

Do you venture on to Howard Pettigrews site 'Commer Connections'? Very useful.

I presume yours is the 'S' type Superpoise?

http://www.commer.org.nz/TheProducts/TheTrucks/CommerPostWar/SuperpoiseSHeavy/SuperpoiseSHeavy.html


Hi, yes I have been on there. A plate on the bulkhead says Q2, yet the chassis number begins with 24A but runs to a later number than it says on the Superpoise S (Heavy) page in your link, so I'm still not quite sure what it is, most likely it is a Superpoise S though.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Operation Driveway Extension is in full swing, with a lorry-load of gravel due to arrive tomorrow. After that, many hours of scattering gravel in all directions. This will provide a new space on which to store the Commer, away from the main drive where its rusting greeny/brown presence - as soon as you open the back door of the house - isn't universally loved Smile

I've discovered that the Dorset History Centre has a reference to the Commer in its old registration records, so I'm looking forward to finding out what shreds of info from its earlier life, in the 1950s, turn up.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick,

Have you seen this,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/commer-q4-petrol-engine-/191357258378?pt=UK_Commercial_Trucks&hash=item2c8dc80a8a
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rootes75 wrote:
Rick,

Have you seen this,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/commer-q4-petrol-engine-/191357258378?pt=UK_Commercial_Trucks&hash=item2c8dc80a8a


Looks like a good buy for someone - I'd need to see if it's the same lump as mine, I'll keep an eye on that one, thanks.

RJ
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A scan arrived from Dorset History Centre today. It's of a page in a registrations book that has been preserved in their archive.

It refers to the Commer as being registered by Tice & Son, and the first owner "Fortes". The reg., KEL 488, is a Bournemouth-area registration. Date 1/4/1950.

So two things to research: the garage, and the first owner(s).

I've found reference to a long-standing car dealership in Wimborne, called Tice, so I've emailed them to see if their company was originally called Tice & Son. Does anyone know of Tice & Son from the 50s/60s?

Fortes I assume is the Forte's restaurant and ice cream parlour, that was in business c1950 in Bournemouth. Someone mentioned a link to an ice cream business and the Commer, so that seems like a good match, plus the original colour scheme appears to have been pale blue and cream, which would be appropriate for an ice cream-related company.

Can anyone shed light on Tice & Son, or Forte's? I've found a few online mentions of the latter, but does anyone remember it, and ideally the company colours?

thanks, RJ
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