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peter scott



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only ever been in a biplane once, when my daughter and son in law gave me the present of a flight. I found the low speed buoyancy really amazing.

https://youtu.be/36sorCbiCMQ

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penman wrote:
Hi
I think that is a Rapide. in the shot with the ladies.

Twin engined not four,.

The bottom photo is odd as the prop looks to be neither at the bottom of the engine or the top.
DH tended to have upright engines as in the earlier Moth series of names, they then went inverted as in the Tiger Moth and those Dragon series.
It is obviously not a horizontal opposed engine.


The information I posted about the aircraft comes from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Airways and other sites that provide information

As for the picture with my father. It is dated on the back 1932 and was with a hoard of family photos, documents and letters that were hidden during the occupation and not discovered until the 1990's and after my father had past away.

For anyone who reads the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Airways link.
and reference there to the "St Catherines Bay"
My mother had my 2 year old sister in a pram when the plane came over them before hitting the ground.
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Penman



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Peter
With the DH84s being replaced by DH89s in '35 and using your date of '35, it is right on the cusp of the changeover so could be an 84 or 89.
The shape of the window in front of the trapizium (UK) one doesn't seem fit the DH86 Express (4 engine job).

I have asked Johan at 1000aircraft photos if he has any ideas about the earlier one
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I notice on various photos that the side windows differ depending on age.
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Penman



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Peter
Re the mystery aircraft 1932.

I have had a reply from Johan at http://1000aircraftphotos.com/

Quote:
Hello John,

I made the assumptions the persons in front of the aircraft were British and the aircraft was registered in Britain.
Checked the photos in British Civil Aircraft 1919-1959 and I believe it is a civil Bristol “Brisfits”.
Criteria:

Two-bay biplane
Bottom wing separated from fuselage bottom (only Vickers had a few similar-sized experimental biplanes that show the same feature)
Slightly staggered wings
Double inter-wing struts
Double ailerons (top and bottom wing)
Almost parallel cabane struts, slightly outward canted
Undamped single axle landing gear
Landing gear legs in front of wing and protruding through wing

The engine is covered, the propeller is rotating clockwise (viewed from the pilot’s point of view). The type flew with at least 16 different engines, the Sunbeam Arab and the Hispano Suiza types had the propeller positioned near respectively slightly below the center of the engine cowling, others near the bottom..

After figuring out this all I glimpsed in the above mentioned publication the word Jersey (scan attached):

…… The other exception was G-EBIO, an A.D.C. demonstration machine which appeared in 1923 and was a common
sight at Croydon and in Europe for many years, until sold to F./Lt. D. V. Ivins in August 1931. He used it for week-end
trips from Jersey, arriving at Heston late on Friday afternoons, and in May 1932 flew it in the Morning Post Race from
Heston round the Eastern Counties. The veteran averaged 85 m.p.h., but proved no match for the light aircraft, and
came tenth. At the opening of Speke Airport on 1 July 1933, however, honour was satisfied when Ivins flew it to
victory at 114'25 m.p.h. in the race to Blackpool and back……

FLIGHT, APRIL 22, 1932 states: SATURDAY, April 16.— Fit. Lt. Ivins cleared Customs and left at 7.30 a.m. in his machine G-EBIO for Jersey.

FLIGHT, MAY 20, 1932 states: FROM HESTON
SUNDAY, May 8 (Late Notes).—Flt. Lt. Ivins returned just before dusk on G-EBIO (Bristol Fighter, 1918, Hispano engine)
from Jersey. He made the journey in the quick time of 1 hr. 35 min. Fit. Lt. Ivins, who frequently makes this journey,
carries a collapsible boat for use in the event of being forced down in the sea.

So a wild guess, might the aircraft in your photo be the Bristol Fighter G-EBIO c/n H1254?

And maybe I have it all wrong ……

Johan


Once I have got the Jpeg of the article mentioned uploaded I will post that as well but he has put the relevant bits in his reply anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Penman. That is fantastic information, thank you so much. Please extend my thanks to Johan.

I will forward the text and photo to the Jersey Evening Post, who may find reference in their archives and the whole subject can then take its place in the Jersey historical archives. That is where a significant amount of our family "stuff" now resides.

It would certainly explain why my father would have taken the time and effort to have a photo taken. Having the engine covered suggests that the aircraft would have been spending some time there. If this is indeed the aircraft described I have to admit being slightly puzzled as to why it was on the beach.

Although the airport had not been started in 1932, there was an area on the island where small planes could land. Fog has always been an issue with flying in and out of the airport.

It could have been for publicity purposes and I would hazard a guess the photo was taken on a Sunday or a Public holiday. I have noted the way my father is dressed, there had to be a different agenda than just a casual visit to see a plane.

I will delve further and update you.

Thanks again

Regards

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
More info from Johan.
Quote:
Hello John,

I visited the forum and I have some information on the photo showing the great grandmother and family, Peter might find this interesting J.

The aircraft is a de Havilland D.H.84 Dragon Mk.2 and not the D.H.89 Dragon Rapide (commonly referred to as the Rapide).
Two criteria are obvious.
The D.H.84 had wheel spats (which were removable), the D.H.89 had “trouser” fairings over the landing gear (no photos found showing them removed).
The D.H.84 had the propeller centerline above the bottom wing, the D.H.89 had the propeller centerline in the centerline of the bottom wing. The photos and drawings will make it clear.
Seventy D.H.84s were produced, eight were operated by Jersey Airways, all Dragon Mk.2s.
These eight received bay names:

G-ACMC St. Brelades Bay
G-ACMJ St. Aubins Bay
G-ACMO St. Ouens Bay
G-ACMP St. Clements Bay
G-ACNG Portelet Bay
G-ACNH Bouley Bay
G-ACNI Plemont Bay
G-ACNJ Rozel Bay

An ‘s’ is visible in the image, so the aircraft must have been one of the following four:

G-ACMC St. Brelades Bay
G-ACMJ St. Aubins Bay
G-ACMO St. Ouens Bay
G-ACMP St. Clements Bay

When photos are found of all four aircraft showing the lettering in full from the same angle, the specific aircraft might be indicated. But that is likely not going to happen…

Johan


I will forward Johan's email, with the photos and drawings, to you Peter if you pm me your email address.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Penman and Johan. Sincere thanks for all your effort and information.

Peter.

For my e-mail.. peter h lawford at g mail dot c o m

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple from Famlies Day at RAF Lyneham, late 1950s.




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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Down at Sleap yesterday, there was plenty going on.

A fine old Auster J1N, G-AHCL.




One of the Buckers was also to be seen floating around



We were lucky enough to see the resident Anson rumble over and land, before parking up in front of us.
Witnessing two flying Ansons in the space of a week isn't bad (the other was at the Avro Air Fair).





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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somebody loves that Auster!

Gorgeous panel, engine upgrade and that sticker:-

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We pootled down to Sleap again yesterday, and amongst other things we spotted a Pitts Special, the resident Yak, and a Beagle Pup (shown here with the fire service Landy for period effect!)





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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few snaps from Sleap yesterday, the wonderful old Anson was out and about, as were a number of other machines.






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Two De Havilland / HS 121 Tridents seen in the space of a few days, both 3Bs, the first being G-AWZK in BEA colours at Manchester



Then the cockpit section of G-AWZP in Manchester's Museum of Science & Industry



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