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Ford Corsair - the forgotten 1960s Ford?
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Ellis



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:26 pm    Post subject: Ford Corsair - the forgotten 1960s Ford? Reply with quote

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The Consul Classic was considered by many to be a purposeless design hence the model's short life as well as that of the Consul Capri.
I disagree because I considered both an elegant design. There was only one Consul Classic in the village, a two tone maroon and silver one and our music teacher had a white Consul Capri.

The Ford Corsair although based on the Mark One Ford Cortina I thought a handsome car. A friend of my parents bought a V4 engined one in 1967 and thought highly of it except for it's greed for petrol.

There were two Ford Corsair 2000Es in the village, one in silver and a Blue Mink as in the photo below.

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How would you assess the Corsair?
I remember Autocar featuring a comparison test between the 2000E and an "Arrow" Humber Sceptre and the Sceptre won.

Two people of note have had Corsairs - one is our own John Dale who owned a rare 2000cc Abbott Estate and the other was Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall who owned a red Kent engined convertible in his first series of River Cottage.
I wonder if he still owns it.

300,000 Corsairs were built between 1964 and 1970.
I wonder why more were not sold.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A mini Thunderbird.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ellis,

I worked in Ford main dealers when these cars were current and I seem to recall the Corsair was pitched as a more luxurious model than the Classic and priced accordingly higher. Ford were doing some weird things marketing-wise. They had the Consul 375 still in production, or was it surplus stock? I dunno, but definitely still on sale, and then they bring out the Classic and call it a Consul Classic 315.
I thought then, and still do that the Classic Capri was a styling disaster. Or should that have been the Consul Classic 315 Capri.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was a lad we still had a light blue Corsair down in our orchard, we used to stand on its roof to collect apples!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I worked at the local Ford garage in the '70's we used to call the Corsair the Ford Pubic. Coarse 'air -geddit?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember as a kid in 1968 my Old Man bought a 2 litre Deluxe new, specced to a 2000E, he wanted a 2000E but couldn't get one without a Vinyl roof. He then handed it to his last year apprentices with a £500 tuning budget, labour of course was free. It came back lowered with Lotus rims and setting sub 9 second 0-60 times.
He blew it to pieces one night on the M1 at about 50,000 miles when it was just over a year old. The rebuilt engine was never the same. One of his welders bought it and it was still going strong at over 150,000 when we lost track of it.
The first car I drove over the ton in, I was 12 on an old airfield, the Old Man must have been crazy letting me drive it that quick, even if he was in the passenger seat. I love Corsairs.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: Ford Corsair - the forgotten 1960s Ford? Reply with quote

Ellis wrote:
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The Consul Classic was considered by many to be a purposeless design hence the model's short life as well as that of the Consul Capri.
I disagree because I considered both an elegant design. There was only one Consul Classic in the village, a two tone maroon and silver one and our music teacher had a white Consul Capri.

The Ford Corsair although based on the Mark One Ford Cortina I thought a handsome car. A friend of my parents bought a V4 engined one in 1967 and thought highly of it except for it's greed for petrol.

There were two Ford Corsair 2000Es in the village, one in silver and a Blue Mink as in the photo below.

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How would you assess the Corsair?
I remember Autocar featuring a comparison test between the 2000E and an "Arrow" Humber Sceptre and the Sceptre won.

Two people of note have had Corsairs - one is our own John Dale who owned a rare 2000cc Abbott Estate and the other was Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall who owned a red Kent engined convertible in his first series of River Cottage.
I wonder if he still owns it.

300,000 Corsairs were built between 1964 and 1970.
I wonder why more were not sold.


Hi Ellis, I also had a Classic(Consul) Capri GT in about '65 which I thought was a brilliant car - really suited me at that stupid age,Allthe best,JD.
Can be seen here:-http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/consulcapri.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was my second company car after a Classic. Both were pool cars so one that I drove a fair bit. It had a 2 Litre V4 which needed lots of gearchanges if I remember correctly.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ashley wrote:
It was my second company car after a Classic. Both were pool cars so one that I drove a fair bit. It had a 2 Litre V4 which needed lots of gearchanges if I remember correctly.


In the late 1970s the gearbox from a Corsair 2000E was sought after by enthusiasts who had modified Mark 1 or 2 Ford Escorts.
What was so special about this gearbox to be a "must have"?
Was it any different to the gearbox from other 2000cc Ford Corsairs?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this help?

http://performanceclassiccarparts.co.uk/ford-gearboxes.html
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inglewood wrote:
Does this help?

http://performanceclassiccarparts.co.uk/ford-gearboxes.html


It does indeed, thank you.

The depth of knowledge of forum members on here never ceases to impress me.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Dad had a lovely white 2 door GT Corsair which today would be a very rare car. I drove it illegally before passing my test and recall you could induce wheelspin when changing up into second gear!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Further to this and a little sidestep. The Ford Type 5 gearbox is being suggested as a modern replacement for Jaguar MKIV & V because of the overdrive 5th. My question is, what cars were these fitted to? Sierra?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

47Jag wrote:
Further to this and a little sidestep. The Ford Type 5 gearbox is being suggested as a modern replacement for Jaguar MKIV & V because of the overdrive 5th. My question is, what cars were these fitted to? Sierra?

Art

I suspect the Sierra was where most type 5's ended up, it has seemingly become the de facto gearbox upgrade for classics, I have one and an off the shelf conversion kit for my MGA. Type 5 gearbox's now command a higher price on their own than a working Sierra with an mot would have made just a few years gone!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Toyota Supra 5 speed box seems to be another popular transplant for those owners of old cars who don't really like old cars.

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