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petelang
Joined: 21 May 2009 Posts: 442 Location: Nottingham
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 11:47 am Post subject: Recalls info |
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Just signed up for this from the government website.
Seems there's a lot we don't hear about the reliability of many of today's modern vehicles! There's some quite serious ones on the list.
Makes for interesting reading when people are regurgitating all that bile about how rubbish British cars of the Seventies were....
I don't recall hearing about many safety recalls in those times.
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/UKDVSA/bulletins/1f07808
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ukdave2002
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4104 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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The manufacturers do a pretty good job of chasing customers for recalls; the last one I had from BMW was because there was a risk that the bonnet sound insulator may shrink!
In todays world we have access to so much information & so quickly.Compared to the 70's and before, todays cars are so well put together and reliable, imagine what a consolidated 70's recall list would have been like :
Triumph Stag owners, please bring your car back as at some point the engine will probably overheat...and unfortunately we don't have a fix!
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petelang
Joined: 21 May 2009 Posts: 442 Location: Nottingham
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Im not convinced that they honestly declare everything though. A few years back, a two year old Fiat Scudo we bought suffered a sudden loss of brakes, servo failure. At the time the vehicle had only been on the road 15 months and we tried to claim on warranty but they wouldn't hear of it. I subsequently found out it was a known problem, often with catastrophic results, but there was no recall. We lost use of the vehicle for three weeks whilst they sourced parts and we assumed that would be the last of it.
Two years later, the same thing happened on the replacement. Still no recall, still no mention to the ministry as I asked them about it. So that's one dangerous example that slipped the net.
I know of a few others in trucks that my employers were trying to keep a lid on too.
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7118 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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I bought this AlfaSud when it was about 7 years old and was actually contacted for a recall replacement of the front brake calipers! They did actually replace them free of charge.
Peter
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Ray White
Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 6304 Location: Derby
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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I was once asked to return a Vauxhall Meriva for seat belt pre tensioners to be replaced. I then learned about a whole new world. I had no idea that I had been driving around with a device connected to an explosive charge under the seat!
One of the few times that I felt less safe after a recall than before! |
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Ashley
Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 1426 Location: Near Stroud, Glos
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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My Merc has had a recall because there’s a risk of the steering wheel airbag going off. However it only happens after a dashboard warning comes on so I’m waiting till it has new tyres or a service. |
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Keith D
Joined: 16 Oct 2008 Posts: 1129 Location: Upper Swan, Western Australia
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 4:18 am Post subject: |
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My Ssangyong Rexton is 2007. I bought it two years ago, obviously secondhand. A few months later I received a recall letter from Ssangyong to tell me the ball joints on my model were a bit suspect and would I bring it in for a free replacement. All replaced in a couple of hours and no charge. I was very impressed. (But then I'm very impressed with the whole vehicle!)
The car was 10 years old and they must have checked through the government licencing database to find out who owned it and where I lived.
Keith _________________ 1926 Chrysler 60 tourer
1932 Austin Seven RN long wheelbase box sedan
1950 Austin A40 tourer
1999 BMW Z3
Its weird being the same age as old people.
You are either part of the problem or part of the solution |
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lowdrag
Joined: 10 Apr 2009 Posts: 1585 Location: Le Mans
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 5:44 am Post subject: |
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The reasons for the recall are, in a way, quite funny to read:-
Aston Martin: vehicle may roll away
Mazda: Hand brake may disengage unexpectedly
Renault: Incorrect throttle pedal fitted
John Deere: Steering may fail
Harley-Davidson: brakes may fail.
All serious, but I just imagine the look on peoples' faces as they read the recall note. And yes, my Merc air bag may go off unexpectedly, but I have no prior warning - as yet! |
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alastairq
Joined: 14 Oct 2016 Posts: 1950 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Didn't Rover's 800 series have an issue with the handbrake disengaging on it's own?
I seem to recall a one-time brother-in-Law having his new company car rollaway, down a hill into a shop window..the lever was still in the engaged position too.....I recall he had quite a bit of squirming to do to prove the fault wasn't his.
Ford {USA] had a problem with their products in the 1960's...with leaks. The cars would develop windscreen leaks, window leaks, etc from new....[it was really down to the then-prevailing manufacturing processes...little in the way of modern automation, lots in the way of cheap labour from Central America?]...Anyway, Ford were obviously aware of the situation, to the extent they issued dealers with a pamphlet detailing things the dealer could do to their products, when the inevitable angry customer rolled up with a leaking Mustang....
Off topic, sorry........Such a pity they don't get it right before the product leaves the factory?
I wonder,too, if the enthusiasm for dealing properly with customers with regards to faults has something to do with whichever supplier made the faulty items in the first place?
For example, brake calipers probably aren't 'made' by the car manufacturer, but are bought in from a brake manufacturer...so if they prove to have a fault, would the brake manufacturer be the one footing the bill, instead? |
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Penman
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4755 Location: Swindon, Wilts.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Hi
alastairq wrote: |
I seem to recall a one-time brother-in-Law having his new company car rollaway, down a hill into a shop window..the lever was still in the engaged position too.....I recall he had quite a bit of squirming to do to prove the fault wasn't his.
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A Citroen of some sort did the same on a hill outside the old Blackburn driving test centre, fortunately it was the first car in line parked there so it didn't run into any of our driving school cars.
I think it was one of the designs with a handbrake operating disc calipers and IMO there lies the problem.
Discs get hot band expand, car is parked h/brake applied, discs cool down and shrink leaving calipers not applied as hard, car rolls away if on gradient.
It didn't happen the same with drum brakes because they got applied hard as the drums cooled.
Of course we all make sure we leave the car in gear when parked don't we! _________________ Bristols should always come in pairs.
Any 2 from:-
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Bitumen Boy
Joined: 26 Jan 2012 Posts: 1735 Location: Above the snow line in old Monmouthshire
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Penman wrote: |
Of course we all make sure we leave the car in gear when parked don't we! |
I don't trust my modern to park it on any significant gradient full stop. Handbrake is hopeless (although never any problem at MOT time as the standards are so lax) and even in gear it will start to "creep" down the hill, something I've never experienced with any other vehicle. The clutch works faultlessly with no suggestion of slipping whilst on the move so I can only assume that the engine is slowly turning over to allow this creeping to occur, though that too is in good order - starts easily hot or cold, pulls well, uses no measurable quantity of oil between services.
Local MOT tester has told me that the standard for handbrake efficiency was relaxed a few years ago now as modern cars just couldn't meet the old standard. Why couldn't the government lean on the manufacturers to make their handbrakes better instead of fudging the issue? |
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Penman
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4755 Location: Swindon, Wilts.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Bitumen Boy
Do you mean it creeps even in the opposite gear to the gradient?
That would mean the engine is rotating backwards. _________________ Bristols should always come in pairs.
Any 2 from:-
Straight 6
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Bitumen Boy
Joined: 26 Jan 2012 Posts: 1735 Location: Above the snow line in old Monmouthshire
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Penman wrote: | Hi Bitumen Boy
Do you mean it creeps even in the opposite gear to the gradient?
That would mean the engine is rotating backwards. |
A good question, Penman, and not one I can answer now with any certainty as it's been a good 2 or 3 years since I tried parking it on any sort of hill - if I can't park somewhere level or nearly so I just keep going! Luckily our street is as near as dammit level and the council have opened some new demolition site car parks in town in the last few years, about the only useful thing I've ever known them do...
I feel an experiment coming on! |
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petelang
Joined: 21 May 2009 Posts: 442 Location: Nottingham
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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You can always carry a brick to stick under a wheel, like I had to when I take my Daimler Fifteen to Mapperley in Nottingham where hills are pretty steep and the handbrake just isn't up to it. I learned this trick when I went to do a wedding and parked outside the house only to feel it creeping away, put it in gear and the brake was still groaning, so I nicked a big stone out of the Brides dad's rockery to be sure. I don't know if he noticed!
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alanb
Joined: 10 Sep 2012 Posts: 516 Location: Berkshire.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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I had a Citroen Xantia that was recalled for handbrake not holding on hills, the fix was to grind off the first 5 teeth on the ratchet, people were pulling up the handbrake 3 or 4 notches which held when the brakes were warm but as they cooled down the car would roll away _________________ old tourer
Morris 8 two seater
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