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Penman



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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
The new standard maximums are £29.65 for M/cycles and £54.85 for cars.


https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/mot-test-fees
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the "D-day" is behind us, so I went on line to see what actually I needed to do. Very little as it turns out. To recap, my MOT expired a long time back but the tax runs out at the end of the month. I logged on to the DVLA site and it told me that their records showed that my car was forty years old and no longer needed an MOT. But, the secondary part is as to whether the car has had substantial body changes in the last 30 years. So, I tick the no box and the car is taxed for another year. There is no need to download a v112 and go to the Post Office as thought. Just tax it on line. Easy peasy.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 7:02 am    Post subject: ex MOT Reply with quote

lot of good comments and info given.
as owner of a car over 40 years old, I have and still do get an annual MOT with the exception of when car was off road and I used a sort. ( refurb work )
really this is going to be directed by insurers. . some may insist on valid MOT or refuse to insure.
as my car does exceptionally low mileage ( due to constant issues) between MOT's. I did. contemplate bot bothering but am gad I did.
reason is two fold. took it in as I wanted somebody professional to check it over ( thats one) and. was surprised to be made aware very small hole in floor on passenger side due to corrosion ( reason two)
so as I missed that ..I could so easily have missed something vital ..ideally all cars ought to have an annual test but modified for older cars to suit it's age and usage etc
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I have noted...and been informed by my insurer...insurance companies will not insist on an MoT certificate...they already have the covering clause in everyone's policy [regarding maintaining roadworthiness]

A valid MoT is not any sort of proof of roadworthiness...and cannot be....since it reports on the condition of the vehicle, at the time of presentation for test.

At no time during recent years, have pre-1960 vehicles ever raised the spurious question of insurance and Mot.. so no reason to think pre-40 year vehicles will also raise that spurious question.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alastairq wrote:

A valid MoT is not any sort of proof of roadworthiness...and cannot be....since it reports on the condition of the vehicle, at the time of presentation for test.


Perfectly true and this applies to any vehicle regardless of age so why do we bother with MOT testing at all? I can't answer that question but I do know that society does still expect vehicles to pass that test annually.

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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was talking to my father the other day, he had the dilemma of MOT testing with his Land Rover. He went online and said virtually the same as 'lowdrag' has commented. It was no hassle in his opinion.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peter scott wrote:
alastairq wrote:

A valid MoT is not any sort of proof of roadworthiness...and cannot be....since it reports on the condition of the vehicle, at the time of presentation for test.


Perfectly true and this applies to any vehicle regardless of age so why do we bother with MOT testing at all? I can't answer that question but I do know that society does still expect vehicles to pass that test annually.

Peter


The MoT is acknowledged by DVSA to be a minimum standards examination only.

In other countries, the minimum standard is a lot more stringent.

I have always thought [and dreaded, I admit]...that the real issue is a fall-off of roadworthiness enforcement.
[In my youth, it was asking for trouble to go out in one's pride 'n joy, with a brake light out..]

The car is nowadays a convenience item....like a fridge, white goods.

They are treated as such by owners....who prefer to listen to a decent sound system, than be examining ball joints.

An annual once-over is essential for the average [high?] mileage users of today....although how many advisories are also dealt with?

Having looked through MoT records for many used cars [of any age, but cheap]...I frequently note how advisories keep repeating themselves year after year......? In a driving test, a repeated driving fault then becomes a serious fault [fail]....why are repeated advisories not also considered a 'fail?'

The new MoT , VHI system is simplicity in itself....an MoT becomes optional, 'tis all.

The truth of the matter , IMHO, is society's love of 'credibility!'
Having a valid MoT [even if not actually roadworthy] gives 'credibility'.

But, in our rush for credibility, the reality of the MoT , and what it actually is, becomes ignored.

Like the driving licence.........?
Just having one doesn't mean to say one's standard of driving is good enough? Or, is 'good enough', exactly that? {Or, rather, merely that?]
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or, to ''quote' a recent visit by myself, and retired mechanic chum, to look over a vehicle for him.....brandishing a pry bar, he told the vendor, a ball joint was knackered! The vendor was most indignant...insisting ''but it has 6 month's MoT!...'' implying, the vehicle must be ''OK''....

We retired for a Maccydees coffee!
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are sometimes reasons why a car is not really fit for the road but the reason is by no means obvious. When we were stripping the E-type four years back we found this horror:-
P1000149 by Tony Brown, on Flickr

While on a tour in the UK the bearing started grumbling so I stopped off at a Jaguar classic specialist who changed the bearing. This was a year before and the car had passed its MOT with flying colours two months before we discovered this. So, with the best will in the world, one can never be completely sure.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a heads up, I've heard there's some confusion as to whether the latest MOT exemptions will apply in Northern Ireland. Some people are saying it's possible that someone could declare their care as a VHI and quite legally drive around mainland UK with no MOT, but then get on a ferry to NI and be in breach of the local law.

I've no idea what the real situation is - nobody seems to know, possibly because of the ongoing political nonsense at Stormont - but if you're planning a trip to NI with a VHI, a voluntary MOT before leaving may be a worthwhile and comparitively cheap insurance policy.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.aovc.co.uk/articles/northern-ireland-mot-exemption

According to the above, the 40 year MoT exemption does not apply...............yet. But neither do the new changes in MoT testing..yet!

However, I got a brief glimpse of the [MOT?] testing rules for Eire....who appear to be adopting the 40 year rule, [same as UK], rather than the EU rule, which is 30 years for exemption!!

But....[which needs looking at?] ......does the NI rule only apply to vehicles registered in Northern Ireland?

In other words, would GB mainland-registered vehicles be treated in the same way as Eire-registered vehicles? [IE, the fitness rules of the registering country apply?]...in the same way French vehicles [registered] are treated in the UK?[/u]
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bitumen Boy wrote:
Just a heads up, I've heard there's some confusion as to whether the latest MOT exemptions will apply in Northern Ireland. Some people are saying it's possible that someone could declare their care as a VHI and quite legally drive around mainland UK with no MOT, but then get on a ferry to NI and be in breach of the local law.

I've no idea what the real situation is - nobody seems to know, possibly because of the ongoing political nonsense at Stormont - but if you're planning a trip to NI with a VHI, a voluntary MOT before leaving may be a worthwhile and comparitively cheap insurance policy.


NI has always had a different approach to MOT, but the position is quite clear:

Vehicles of historical interest (VHIs)
From 20 May 2018, motor vehicles first registered before 1960 in England, Scotland and Wales will still not need an MOT. This covers all vehicles of historic interest(external link opens in a new window / tab) which are also known as classic vehicles. This does not apply in Northern Ireland.

An exempt VHI (does not need an MOT) coming from England, Scotland or Wales to Northern Ireland on a permanent basis would therefore require an MOT.

Drivers from England, Scotland or Wales bringing exempted VHIs to Northern Ireland on a temporary basis, such as for an event or holiday, must bring their V112 exemption declaration with them which is issued by DVLA, as evidence that they have applied for the exemption under the Great Britain VHI scheme.

There are plans to launch a public consultation in Northern Ireland for a VHI scheme similar to the one in Great Britain, as soon as possible.


Taken from the NI Direct DVA website.

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A mate in NI tells me that the reason it's not been introduced at the same time is down to the issues with their parliament at the moment. As it needs to be approved by Stormont (no, not the eighties Ford dealer...) and they're in disarray, it hasn't happened.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alastairq wrote:

If one's vehicle falls into the category of 'substantially altered'........then a current MoT is required before it can be taxed....VHI cannot be lawfully declared at that point.


Wrong. My car was substantially modified in 1977. As said above, my MOT expired a long time ago but I went on line, ticked the box, and taxed the car. One does not have to have a current MOT to do so. If the car is over 40 years old it qualifies automatically as being MOT exempt. And it isn't just me either. I taxed two cars on line yesterday for someone who wasn't sure what to do.
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