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[split] Old Range Rovers and rusty Discos
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emmerson



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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norseman wrote:
emmerson wrote:
There is no such thing as a used, rust-free Range Rover classic!


My '87 Vouge had only two owners & 40k on the clock (supported by many MOT certs.) when I bought it nearly ten years ago. It's had two full specialist Waxoyl / Dinatrol treatments in that time, the latest with annual checks & if there's any corrosion worth mentioning those operators, the MOT man (who also services the car) or myself have yet to find it. I don't think the car has ever been off-road, certainly not in my ownership & after 33 years still has the original main-dealer rear window sticker, number plates & tax disc holder. And no, it's not for sale Laughing


Well done, norseman, I hope you are right, but have you removed the carpets and the dashboard, or the headlining above the windscreen? Remove the trim panels in the footwells, etc. I could go on, but the mechanic or the MOT man does not and cannot remove any of these things, but trust me, that is where the rust lies.
There is another L plate RR in my repairer's workshop which the owner is repairing himself, a car which looked fabulous, until he decided to modify it for a trip to Iceland. That was almost three years ago and the job is still not finished.There's also a man in Dover who thought just as you do; he's had his car from new, and thought it was totally rust-free. He now knows the truth, after he offered to sell it to me for 10,000! These cars can rust in places you didn't even know they had!
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Norseman



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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could be right as only a total tear down would reveal some of the areas you mention.
As for mine:
carpets - yes
kick panels - yes
Headlining - no, but may be replacing it this year so watch this space!
dash - no, but there is no rain/carwash water ingress & the carpets are dry.
nb: a tip here, check that the cavities (both sides) for the hood
hinges are not collecting water via the gap between the back of
the hood & the closure panel. There is supposed to be a drain at
either end
but mine doesn't seem to have drain holes.
Pressing a length of small-bore rubber hose into the gap after
closing the hood is a preventative measure that seems to work.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This here Discovery is becoming very boring! I've had it for two months now, and aside from an oil leak from a loose pipe nut, I haven't laid a spanner on it!
I've played with the radio aerial, replaced the plug on the end, and resprayed the back door where the famous reaction between steel and aluminium had started, and a front wing where the lacquer had lifted. Aside from wiring in the inverter and fitting brackets for the dog bed and tie-downs for Anne's scooter, that's it.
Oh, I forgot, I replaced the spark plugs, coil and ignition amplifier, so that's a complete new ignition system to go with the LPG conversion.
I may fit the Joker"N" ignition timing black box, but its going so well at the moment that I might just leave it be.
Even the Talbot Camper and the modern are behaving themselves too!
Sorry to be such a bore!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

emmerson wrote:

Oh, I forgot, I replaced the spark plugs, coil and ignition amplifier, so that's a complete new ignition system to go with the LPG conversion.
.Sorry to be such a bore!


As a LR owner you are SUPPOSED to be a bore by asking for advice on why your vehicle doesn't do what it's to supposed to, or does do what it shouldn't Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I know that Noreseman, that's why I'm a bit worried! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a leaky transmission oil pipe! I feel better now; it's a proper Land Rover!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off topic, but very much on the topic of rust. it appears that modern Jaguars are showing signs of rust on the rear suspension at one year old and that people are having the rear cleaned and powder coated to protect it. What an appalling state of affairs.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lowdrag wrote:
Off topic, but very much on the topic of rust. it appears that modern Jaguars are showing signs of rust on the rear suspension at one year old and that people are having the rear cleaned and powder coated to protect it. What an appalling state of affairs.


I remember a new example of the (just launched) newest-shape XJ was on display at Tatton Park years ago, on one of the Jaguar club stands. The front calipers were already red rusty. Not impressive. Shame, as I grew to like the look of these XJs.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent two hours stuck on the side of a major road yesterday, due to a brand new rotor arm failure. It had done less than 70 miles. It came in a Lucas box, but had no makers name on the actual part. refitting the old rotor fixed it. The supplier will replace or refund, but who will compensate me for my time? Twisted Evil
BTW, I just checked my expensive Bosch coil - it was made in Brazil!
Is nothing sacred anymore?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My trusty old P38 (4.6 LPG) passed the M.O.T. again but this time one of the fog light bulbs failed but as there are two bulbs it was O.K.

I was advised again to have the Waxoil treatment while the car was still in good condition.

One job I WILL have to attend to is the dash warning light that incorrectly shows "bonnet open". Of course it isn't open; indeed there are two cable operated catches but the sensor was disturbed and although correctly positioned the message persists. Either I need a new sensor or I need the message cleared from the system. I have a "kicker" which resets the codes when I plug it in - but whether it covers this one I don't yet know.

Incidentally, the problem only showed up because I accidentally caught a bonnet catch cable with the new battery that I fitted. The cable had pulled out of it's retaining clip with the annoying result that I was unable to open the bonnet. The grill had to come off and much time and trouble expended trying to reach the cable with something.

When I stomped off in a bad mood my long suffering wife had a go and succeeded where I had failed.! Embarassed
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wives can be like that!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

emmerson wrote:
I spent two hours stuck on the side of a major road yesterday, due to a brand new rotor arm failure. It had done less than 70 miles. It came in a Lucas box, but had no makers name on the actual part. refitting the old rotor fixed it. The supplier will replace or refund, but who will compensate me for my time? Twisted Evil
BTW, I just checked my expensive Bosch coil - it was made in Brazil!
Is nothing sacred anymore?


It stopped again last Thursday, in thick fog, on top of a Welsh mountain. I only had a brief look as the weather was so foul, couldn't see anything obvious, so called for recovery. At the garage they discovered that it had no spark at all this time, but as he was going on holiday for week, that is as far as we got. I'm not happy with the ignition kit I fitted last week, so I think I'll order up some good quality stuff from Powerspark or the Distributor Doctor and see what happens.
So we're off next Thursday in the 1987 Talbot Camelot camper.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I trust old black insulators but I wouldn't buy any new ignition product that used black plastic.

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emmerson



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peter scott wrote:
I trust old black insulators but I wouldn't buy any new ignition product that used black plastic.

Peter


I must agree there, peter. The "new" rotor arm which failed was black, and the distributor cap is too.
A bit of a silly mistake really, as the good stuff is only 25 more!
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