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Ray White
Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 6309 Location: Derby
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:17 pm Post subject: Ever fitted a car heater? |
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I was wondering if anyone here had fitted a heater to their classic car? Perhaps there was not one originally? |
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MVPeters
Joined: 28 Aug 2008 Posts: 822 Location: Northern MA, USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:38 am Post subject: |
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50 years ago!
1936 Austin 10.
I found a little round Smith's heater at a junk yard. Cut holes in the top & bottom hoses & clamped in T connectors. A couple of bits of probably Dad's garden hose, pushed somehow through the firewall.
Thermo-syphon system.
It didn't do much. _________________ Mike - MVPeters at comcast.net
2002 MINI Cooper 'S' |
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7118 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:57 am Post subject: |
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Yes, my SS was never fitted with a heater when new. Fortunately it has an alloy water manifold with relatively flat sides so it wasn't too difficult to drill it and fit a hose connector. For the other connection I found a convenient bottom hose from a Vauxhall Firenza that had a 1/2" T connection on it.
With your TC you might need to solder a couple of pipes into the header and footer tanks of the radiator although a closer location to the water pump might be an advantage so the T off the bottom hose might be more efficient.
After the war the rather similar MkIV Jaguar came fitted with a heater (or air conditioning as they called it) so I used the same type of Clayton heater and also the fittings for passing the hoses through the bulkhead, one of which includes a tap.
Peter _________________ http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk
1939 SS Jaguar 2 1/2 litre saloon |
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Ray White
Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 6309 Location: Derby
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the diagram Peter. I like the Clayton heater but I don't think it will fit in the MG. I need to find a very compact unit. I would have thought the problem with plumbing into the radiator is that the heater wouldn't start working until the engine is up to temperature. Then again the bypass loop (which was my first thought) is apparently closed off when the thermostat opens. That kind of leaves the hoses - or as I have seen in photos - direct connection to the head.
Plumbing aside, I recently took a look at electric heaters. What amazed me was the amount of power they need. One I looked at which seemed to meet my requirements was rated at 500 Watts ! With a 45 amp alternator at 12 volts, there would be a rapid discharge - or at least that is how I calculated it. |
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7118 Location: Edinburgh
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Ray White
Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 6309 Location: Derby
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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HEy Peter
I have just had my original head overhauled and converted for lead free. It has been shaped and ported for use with my Eaton M45 supercharger. (Rootes type) and has TF valves with bronze guides.
However, the head has plain blanking plates at either end to which I could easily fit a takeoff point and control valve. |
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Longstroke
Joined: 01 Oct 2019 Posts: 24 Location: Wiltshire
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Or alternatively, what about a flying jacket and longjohns? |
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Ray White
Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 6309 Location: Derby
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Longstroke wrote: | Or alternatively, what about a flying jacket and longjohns? |
No kidding; I have those too. I also have a genuine 'Ugg' sheepskin hat and gloves....it's my little tootsies that get cold. Trouble with many heaters is that they don't send warmth to where it's most needed! |
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alastairq
Joined: 14 Oct 2016 Posts: 1951 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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If the teecee is anything like my Dellow...you won't need anything like a heater for tootsies.....the amount of heat emanating from the engine bay [being in close proximity, and all that] will likely become overpowering after a while.....real plimmy-melting stuff!
Uprate the dynamo, and wear heated socks? _________________ Dellow Mk2, 1951 built, reg 1952.
Fiat 126 BIS
Cannon special [1996 registered. Built in 1950's]
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Ford Pop chassis, Ashley 1172 bodyshell, in pieces. |
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ukdave2002
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4104 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Fitted one to the MGA, as it was a factory option it was all straight forward, that said its pretty redundant as I never drive the car with the hood up |
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Ray White
Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 6309 Location: Derby
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Mog
Joined: 30 Dec 2007 Posts: 661 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Small round heaters were fitted to Landrovers as an extra . They were in the cab and had two little doors that you could open . You might be able to get one from a Landrover [early series 2 ? ] wrecker . |
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Ray White
Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 6309 Location: Derby
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Mog wrote: | Small round heaters were fitted to Landrovers as an extra . They were in the cab and had two little doors that you could open . You might be able to get one from a Landrover [early series 2 ? ] wrecker . |
Another good suggestion, thanks.
One other option would be to use the battery box and move the battery to a new location on the car, similar to other MGs. |
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Longstroke
Joined: 01 Oct 2019 Posts: 24 Location: Wiltshire
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:35 am Post subject: |
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I've a small Smiths heater in my Riley (sounds similar to LR one) which sits under the dash. Use it mainly for the demist facility. There are kit car ones that are very diddy, but not sure how effective they are. If you Google homemade car heater there's a U-tube showing how to make one out of a lunchbox(?!) and proprietary small rad - very simple to make from memory. |
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Ray White
Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 6309 Location: Derby
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Longstroke wrote: | I've a small Smiths heater in my Riley (sounds similar to LR one) which sits under the dash. Use it mainly for the demist facility. There are kit car ones that are very diddy, but not sure how effective they are. If you Google homemade car heater there's a U-tube showing how to make one out of a lunchbox(?!) and proprietary small rad - very simple to make from memory. |
Thanks. Yes, I watched that video the other day. I could be tempted to build a car heater but like all these things, time is an issue. I have a complete rebuild and restoration ongoing and there is just too much else that needs my attention.
The Smiths heater is like a cheaper version of the Clayton and worth considering if it fits. I agree, some of the kit car heaters are really just demisters and too small. As I mentioned earlier, I had considered a small electric heater of 500w but the power consumption is impractical.
I have looked again at the option of opening out the bottom of the battery box and fitting my preferred heater.
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