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[Rick]

[Ray White]

Personally, I think driver awareness is sadly lacking amongst many motorists who invade the space needed by these exceptionally primitive machines. It is difficult enough to keep some of them going for the entire journey without being harassed by drivers of moderns. A sizeable percentage of LBR entrants fail to even set off from Hyde Park! I say give them a break!

Most people today have a complete lack of understanding as to how Veteran cars behave on the road and some simple, old fashioned road manners would go a long way to make the event safer.

[Mog]

It would have been good if the passenger had an i - pad showing the route . Then advising the driver the way to go . Perhaps in the future all passengers should have an i - pad showing the route . It is a sad unwanted loss.

[Riley Blue]

[mikeC]

Looking at that Route Guide, I am very surprised there is no warning of the A23/M23 junction, which looks to require a particularly challenging manoeuvre for a Veteran.
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[peter scott]

The sign is perfectly clear. They just made a mistake and then unfortunately tried to correct it on a motorway.

https://goo.gl/maps/DRUfCCMdeToWZ1hU6

There was a second sign but pretty close after the first and rather late to change your mind.

https://goo.gl/maps/e6ZdXMfFUsoqdwZy7

Peter
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[alanb]

I am not particularly familiar with the area though I have been to see the London to Brighton run on several occasions, and have often been amazed at the number of modern car drivers jostling for position with the veterans only to see them stopping a few yards further down the road to watch them going by. As for signage I think in general it is very poor these days, you will see a sign and follow and then not see another for many miles other than for local small towns and villages or at approaching roundabouts you see a sign way back and then as you get nearer there are only local locations shown all very confusing for people who don't know the area.
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[alastairq]

Looking at the gurgleoooth photos posted by various contributors....I sadly note there is no provision whatsoever, on the approach to that junction, for any sort of breakdown, or simpy, somewhere to pull over on the near side to gather one's wits, or seek assistance for a slow vehicle to make the move to the right lane in reasonable safety?
It appears the road layout 'designers' have simply made the mistake of 'taking things for granted', that traffic will be moving at a reasonable speed so as not to present others with what amounts to a stationary[relatively-speaking] object in their path.

In other words, there is no escape! For anyone!

I wonder how a cyclist would cope? {The junction appears...at that point, to not be a 'road under motorway regulations'?]

Once committed to entering the motorway....there is quite a distance to be travelling before there is a reasonable hard shoulder to take shelter on....

I agree, such a junction should have been adequately marshalled by the organisers..[with appropriate signage too]....That so-called 'slip' road [to the motorway] is rather long for a slow moving vehicle [or pushbike?] to be exposed to potentially fast moving traffic, from both sides?

Do the organisers have a fleet of 'travelling marshals' spread throughout the entry?

Even folks on motorbikes would be better than nowt? Just to assist the veterans should anything go amiss?

It is sad reflection of driving life, that I have seen, more recently, rather more than a few collisions on events using the public roads, and involving vehicles which are either a bit slow by today's standards, or are 'vulnerable'...in the world of Classic Reliability Trials.

All down to the inability of other road users to do the job properly.....

Motorcycle riders getting mown down, or the terrible collision involving a Trojan on the A303.......

Perhaps it is time for a re-route of this event? [In the Trials world, efforts are actively made to reduce or eliminate dual carriageways or 'apparently' higher speed major routes from the route cards....]

I also find it sad that an event such as the Brighton Run [for I know it by no other title]....should be relegated to the status of a show parade, simply because it has to share the public roads with those who simply, do not care.
For it is that word 'care' which lies at the root of most of what we complain about with today's traffic.
Drivers have the skills...but not the desire to use them..they simply, do not care.
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[peter scott]

Like many disasters it was not a single mistake that caused this one. It was a mistake followed by an unwise attempt to correct it.

Having reached the motorway there was a hard shoulder that they could have traveled on relatively safely but of course it would have taken them well away from their desired route.

As it happens they could have come off the motorway and joined the A22 just 2 or 3 miles further on.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.257411,-0.108329,13z?hl=en

Peter
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[mikeC]

[Ray White]

[alastairq]

Nothing to do with his passenger reading the route, and being uncertain?
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[peter scott]

[Penman]

Hi
Re the "clear" signage,
There is no mention of Brighton on the A23 part of the signs.
but Brighton is very clearly seen on the M23 section.
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