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1909 Alldays and Onions 2 seat Runabout
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kevin2306



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about doing a compression test (both hot and cold)

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Jason



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a long shot, but is the cooling system functioning correctly?

cylinder 2 could be getting hot and burning the soot off, hence you thinking that cylinder 2 is ok and the other 3 are running rich.

as I say a long shot but I had this on the Alvis in cylinder 4 when the water jacket was blocked.
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Rdover



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith managed to get a couple of hours to play with it and fixed most of the oil leaks, leaving just enough to confirm that it is old and British.

Whilst playing with the timing he noticed that the adv/retard control collar on the dizzy was sparking to the mag coil conversion gearbox. Turns out it was not earthed properly. He's fitted a decent earth wire to the same wire that comes from the battery and it is running a whole lot better. This should allow me to get the jetting spot on.

The valve clearances were fine as were all the other settings including compression.

The VCC Scottish Section main event is based in Inverary in 2 weeks time and we'll be driving 70 miles per day each day so that'll be the real test.

Collecting tomorrow and getting some miles done each evening.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad that all is sorted! Always a small gremlin somewhere in the works! Enjoy. Regards Tom
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Rdover



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the results are in ....

2 problems affecting each other, as usual:

1. poorly earthed distributor. Not a problem at tickover but caused problems at higher engine speeds. Solved by fitting an earthing wire from case to battery negative (same one as earths the mag/coil conversion itself). I suspect this was a minor problem compared to

2. Spark plugs were too cool. I replaced the Champion D16s with new ones and I used D16s because that is what the car had when I got it. I just got it back from Keith and he had fitted NGK AB-6s which are a grade hotter (ie retain more heat) than the D16s.

After 50 miles test running it is running beautifully. It pulls from 10mph to 37mph in 4th gear, the plugs are not getting fouled although they are still a little black, especially cyl 4, so I'm definitely on the right track. I now suspect that my problem last month was the plugs being killed by being fouled. I shall order a set of D12s (AB4) and see how they go.

I am very happy and confident that I will have 4 days of smooth running in Argyll week after next on the SVCC main event.

Now to spend some time cleaning, fettling and polishing.
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Rdover



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some photos after a wash and polish and some new dressy HT leads

Note the dizzy earth lead ...






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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After a rather nice long weekend based in Inveraray eating too much food and driving some unfeasibly old cars on the Scottish VCC main event (which is still on, I had work to get back to) I'm pleased to report that the Alldays ran brilliantly.

On Sunday we drove the 40 mile round trip to the Cruachan Power Station in glorious warm sunshine and enjoyed the lovely scenery. Apart from being a pig to get started (as it was totally cold) the car ran up and down all but the steepest of hills in 4th gear and did around 13mpg.

The Event started on Sunday evening and Monday saw us leaving at 9.30am in a rush to get to the coffee break in time. We headed on an 80 mile loop and again enjoyed lovely views although it was overcast. Lunch near the Crinan Canal and a straight run back. The car was almost fully loaded and by keep the speed to 30mph we got 15mpg.

Tuesday was colder and damper and again the car was harder to start than if it'd been in a garage all night but once running it was perfect. The run south west took us to Strachur and Otterferry including a serious climb up a 1 in 5 hill which was completed mainly in 1st gear. Again 15mpg was achieved and after some discussions it seems that it's still running a little lean.

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It is apparent that the car trips along at 30 mph on the flat with barely any throttle and to climb the long hills I only need to give it some throttle to manage them okay. When I brave full throttle I can really feel the difference meaning that the compensating jet is doing most of the work and could do with being richened up a touch. The D16/AB-6 plugs are fine but its also clear that using the Champion D21s (hotter running) will get into the self-cleaning phase quicker and run less risk of plug fouling.

Over 200 miles run in 4 days and more miles done in 5 weeks than in either the first 4 years of ownership. All in all I am very pleased and equally relieved

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hurrah, guess we will call that a success story then

any nice pics take on the run out?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rdover wrote:
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Over 200 miles run in 4 days and more miles done in 5 weeks than in either the first 4 years of ownership. All in all I am very pleased and equally relieved

Cool Cool


I bet, that's good going Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, now it's running really nicely it has shown up the seriously loose steering box and the near terminality of the gearbox.

I know what I'm doing this winter Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations Richard. I am glad you have something(s) left to do to keep you amused as the snow settles!

I do fear that once gearbox and possibly diff are all as good as they should be, you will wonder what to do with your time.
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Rdover



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks

No fear of running out of jobs, once the last big jobs are done I still have

new brake linkages
repaint chassis properly
make new brass kick plates with engraving
re-engineer tank to have a gauge (glass viewing pipe)
pram hood and sticks
CD/DVD player
NOS
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I'm sat with my morning cuppa comparing the photos of the gearbox I took 7 years ago (exactly 7 years ago - to the week!) with the ones I took last night and I'm pretty comfortable that whilst in good nick for over 100 years old 3rd gear is even more wrecked both on the ends (where it wears changing gear) and on the meshing face - there is quite a lot of slop. 1st and 2nd are worn but not anything as bad as 3rd and 4th and reverse are fine.

Photos ...

3rd gear in 2007


3rd gear in 2014, 1200 miles later



I'm not sure the grease should be quite so glittery Embarassed

I'm guessing that 1st & 2nd are within serviceable limits but 3rd is in desperate need of being replaced.
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Peter_L



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rdover wrote:
Thanks

No fear of running out of jobs, once the last big jobs are done I still have

new brake linkages
repaint chassis properly
make new brass kick plates with engraving
re-engineer tank to have a gauge (glass viewing pipe)
pram hood and sticks
CD/DVD player
NOS
........



and when you have done all that, there is always the

Inertia Seat Belts
Heated Seats
Anti-Lock Brakes
Collision Warning
Traction Control
Blind Spot Indicators
Rear Camera

Without which (these days) it is all but impossible to drive to the nearest store.

oh! and of course Snow Tires.

Wink


..... I have followed your threads since the very early days, great stuff.
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Rdover



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, Peter, I don't drive the car in cold weather so snow tyres are unnecessary but I have a collision warning system although she's a little over sensitive and needs regular maintenance after a 'close shave'. The increasingly shocking price of vodka makes me ever more careful Wink

The gearbox is about to get a serious cleaning and then dropped off to a local specialist who will dismantle and inspect. I'm expecting to have to replace 2 gears and the whole cost should be less than £1,000 and if it is I'll get busy with the steering box.
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