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peter scott
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Handley Page 42E
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Absolutely brilliant photo, Peter. Any hint of when it was taken?
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peter scott
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Hi Dane,
I couldn't have given you exact dates but wiki comes to the rescue.
Peter 
| Quote: | The first flight was on 14 November 1930, by G-AAGX later to be named Hannibal, with Squadron Leader Thomas Harold England at the controls.[2] The certificate of airworthiness was granted in May 1931, permitting commercial service; the first flight with fare-paying passengers was to Paris on 11 June of that year.
Imperial Airways wanted its airliners to land safely at low speed, which meant a large wing area (almost as much as a 767 that weighs more than 10 times as much). In 1951 Peter Masefield wrote, "The trouble about a slow aeroplane with a really low wing loading is the way it insists on wallowing about in turbulent air ... One of the reasons that seven times as many people fly to Paris to-day, compared with 1931, is that the incidence of airsickness in modern aircraft is only one-hundredth of that in the pre-War types."[3] Another writer remembered "I had quite often been landed in a '42' at Lympne to take on sufficient fuel to complete the flight (from Paris) to London against a headwind — 90 mph was its normal cruising speed."[4]
When the H.P.42s were finally withdrawn from civil service on 1 September 1939 they had recorded almost a decade without any major accidents.
G-AAUD Hanno
G-AAUD, production number 42/3, was named after the Carthaginian explorer Hanno the Navigator, who explored the Atlantic coast of Africa in approx. 570 BC. Hanno first flew on 19 July 1931 and was later converted to a H.P.42(W) (Hannibal class). The aircraft was impressed into No. 271 Squadron RAF and was destroyed in a gale at Whitchurch Airport, Bristol when it was blown together with Heracles and damaged beyond repair on 19 March 1940. |
I love the way they raised a flag pole when on the ground.
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ukdave2002
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:47 am Post subject: |
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The airport has been shut for over 50 years, the tower is still there though, minus the radio mast.
Brilliant pic 
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Penman
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Hi
The Empire Flying Boats also raiesd a flag.
http://www.airwaveyachts.com.au/Aircraft/Centaurus2.jpg
I could understand the use of a red ensign on a flying boat, but why use a white ensign on a civilian aircraft whether water or land based?
Perhaps it was somethingg to do with being a Royal Mail carrier.
Did RM ships use White or Red ensigns?
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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It's not very clear in this photo but it looks as if RMS Queen Mary flew the red ensign.
Peter
..and Lusitania..
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Penman
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Hi
So that answers the question, a B/W photo made the light blue of the Civil Air Ensign appear to be white
and I saw the dark blue cross and took it to be red as that is what I expected.
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Jim.Walker
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I have only just found this thread.
And wonderful pics. comments, and history.
BUT oh the size of that first picture!
Changing the screen size to accomodate the picture and subsequent posted texts really rather tarnished the experience with text too small to be
readable and requiring endless scrolling or screen adjustment.
Is there any way an overlarge picture can be "corrected" by the user/viewer?
Jim.
P.S.
It seems to be a failing of almost every (if not all) forums that they will
accept overlarge images!
Note that I have reurned to edit one line of my text above to fit my normal screen setting.
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peter scott
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Sorry Jim, short of copying the image and storing it in my Photobucket I had no control over its size. I just used the original link address.
If you right click on such an image you can select "Copy Image Location", in this case:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/cba1fe0a1543f2aaedd1e1b95c96f1da/tumblr_mxib90U6Xf1shuv63o1_1280.jpg
Pasting that into your brouser will help because the image will not be surrounded by the forum information.
Alternatively you can right click the image and select "Copy Image" then paste it into Irfanview (a nice freeware image editor) where you can make the image size anything you want.
The Lusitania image is also big but I figured that we were only interested in seeing the flag so it didn't matter that everything else was off screen.
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Thanks Peter,
On the sublect of flags although I believe that the ensign colours in the Royal Navy used toreflect the colour of the Admiral in control - Admiral of the Red etc. I think that the colours became White for Royal Navy Fighting fleet, Blue for the provisioning and logistic vessels. The Red seems to then have become the norm. for the Merchant Marine and private British vessels including small pleasure craft.
Or have I got it all wrong??
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Jim.Walker
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Very interesting Peter.
It seems I was right in some ways (generally modern usage) and wildly wrong in others.
One thing I was sure of was modern Red Ensign usage on merchant ships. It is also flown on lots of pleasure craft even in inland waters.
Another thing generally unknown is that the Union Flag must only be flown on a boat with the permission of Her Majesty! Or prosecution may follow. And that naval vessels only fly the Union Flag from the Jak-Staff on the bow when moored. And only then does it become the UNION Jack.
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