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Modern cars - built in obsolescence?
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Keith D



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Peter. Times have changed regarding car maintenance and repair.
Recently, when 250 km from home, in a caravan park, my Ssangyong Rexton diesel failed to start. Everything worked, even down to the engine happily cranking over, but no ignition!
To cut a long story short, the RAC man eventually found the problem. A tiny component had moved loose inside the electronic remote car key and that caused the engine immobiliser to stay on.
All my life I have just thrown all my car keys into a drawer. But these modern keys contain relatively delicate electronic printed circuit boards! I now handle them very, very carefully and place them gently in the drawer!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith D wrote:
Ssangyong Rexton diesel failed to start. Everything worked, even down to the engine happily cranking over, but no ignition!

Ignition on a diesel Rolling Eyes Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

badhuis wrote:
Keith D wrote:
Ssangyong Rexton diesel failed to start. Everything worked, even down to the engine happily cranking over, but no ignition!

Ignition on a diesel Rolling Eyes Very Happy


ig·ni·tion
iɡˈniSH(ə)n/Submit
noun
the action of setting something on fire or starting to burn.
"three minutes after ignition, the flames were still growing"
the process of starting the combustion of fuel in the cylinders of an internal combustion engine.
the mechanism for bringing about ignition in an internal combustion engine, typically activated by a key or switch.
plural noun: ignitions; noun: the ignition
"he put the key in the ignition"

Yep Laughing "ignition". Laughing
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Keith D



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks peterwpg !!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK OK both you won me over. In my stupidness I always though one of the virtues of diesel engines is that they do not have/need ignition parts. But of course they do, just not like the things petrol engines have.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

badhuis wrote:
OK OK both you won me over. In my stupidness I always though one of the virtues of diesel engines is that they do not have/need ignition parts. But of course they do, just not like the things petrol engines have.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told by some one who works for a Japanese company that makes electronic components for the motor industry in general. Many components have a design life of approximately 180000 miles. So at 10000 miles a year your immaculate 18 year old car will start to fail, but it will be so old you probably won't be able to get parts anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

V8 Nutter wrote:
I was told by some one who works for a Japanese company that makes electronic components for the motor industry in general. Many components have a design life of approximately 180000 miles. So at 10000 miles a year your immaculate 18 year old car will start to fail, but it will be so old you probably won't be able to get parts anyway.


Try telling that to owners of recent (less than 18 years) BMWs or MINIs.
BCM - Body Control Module - $400+/- plus labour & programming.
ECM - Engine Control Module - $5-600+/-.
LCM - Lighting Control Module - $250+/-.
Lucas used to call it a 'switch'.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Completely off topic, but we recently treated ourselves to a new TV. In the small print it is stated that spares will be made for a maximum period of two years.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MVPeters wrote:

Try telling that to owners of recent (less than 18 years) BMWs or MINIs.
BCM - Body Control Module - $400+/- plus labour & programming.
ECM - Engine Control Module - $5-600+/-.
LCM - Lighting Control Module - $250+/-.
Lucas used to call it a 'switch'.


This is why we as engineers should not restrict our interest to mechanism.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MVPeters wrote:

... Lucas used to call it a 'switch'.


... and Yanks used to laugh at the 'Prince of Darkness' Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MVPeters wrote:
V8 Nutter wrote:
I was told by some one who works for a Japanese company that makes electronic components for the motor industry in general. Many components have a design life of approximately 180000 miles. So at 10000 miles a year your immaculate 18 year old car will start to fail, but it will be so old you probably won't be able to get parts anyway.


Try telling that to owners of recent (less than 18 years) BMWs or MINIs.
BCM - Body Control Module - $400+/- plus labour & programming.
ECM - Engine Control Module - $5-600+/-.
LCM - Lighting Control Module - $250+/-.
Lucas used to call it a 'switch'.

And the same dealer will charge £300 to change the oil, filter and plugs, I can't imagine what the dealer would charge for a short engine but suspect it will run into thousands Shocked

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slightly OT but as we are talking prices.....

An acquaintance recently misfueled his new Disco diesel. He rather foolishly drove it home to call his dealer for help. Total bill to "flush it through" (not quite that easy really as a good few components got changed)?

£7000 plus......

Meanwhile I will keep plodding along in my old Defender......
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more I read of these prices to keep newish cars on the road, the more I feel inclined to buy a late 70's Holden Kingswood with it's lazy six cylinder, bullet proof engine and three speed manual gearbox. The only engine electrical bits are the coil, plugs, battery and points! I can keep these vehicles on the road safely, easily and cheaply! And surprise, surprise; a late 70's Holden fits the description of an Old Classic Car.................!!!

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