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Keith D
Joined: 16 Oct 2008 Posts: 1129 Location: Upper Swan, Western Australia
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:43 am Post subject: |
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I agree with Peter. Times have changed regarding car maintenance and repair.
Recently, when 250 km from home, in a caravan park, my Ssangyong Rexton diesel failed to start. Everything worked, even down to the engine happily cranking over, but no ignition!
To cut a long story short, the RAC man eventually found the problem. A tiny component had moved loose inside the electronic remote car key and that caused the engine immobiliser to stay on.
All my life I have just thrown all my car keys into a drawer. But these modern keys contain relatively delicate electronic printed circuit boards! I now handle them very, very carefully and place them gently in the drawer!
Keith _________________ 1926 Chrysler 60 tourer
1932 Austin Seven RN long wheelbase box sedan
1950 Austin A40 tourer
1999 BMW Z3
Its weird being the same age as old people.
You are either part of the problem or part of the solution |
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badhuis
Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 1390 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Keith D wrote: | Ssangyong Rexton diesel failed to start. Everything worked, even down to the engine happily cranking over, but no ignition! |
Ignition on a diesel _________________ a car stops being fun when it becomes an investment |
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Peter_L
Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 2680 Location: New Brunswick. Canada.
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:13 am Post subject: |
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badhuis wrote: | Keith D wrote: | Ssangyong Rexton diesel failed to start. Everything worked, even down to the engine happily cranking over, but no ignition! |
Ignition on a diesel |
ig·ni·tion
iɡˈniSH(ə)n/Submit
noun
the action of setting something on fire or starting to burn.
"three minutes after ignition, the flames were still growing"
the process of starting the combustion of fuel in the cylinders of an internal combustion engine.
the mechanism for bringing about ignition in an internal combustion engine, typically activated by a key or switch.
plural noun: ignitions; noun: the ignition
"he put the key in the ignition"
Yep "ignition". |
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Keith D
Joined: 16 Oct 2008 Posts: 1129 Location: Upper Swan, Western Australia
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Thanks peterwpg !!!
Keith _________________ 1926 Chrysler 60 tourer
1932 Austin Seven RN long wheelbase box sedan
1950 Austin A40 tourer
1999 BMW Z3
Its weird being the same age as old people.
You are either part of the problem or part of the solution |
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badhuis
Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 1390 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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OK OK both you won me over. In my stupidness I always though one of the virtues of diesel engines is that they do not have/need ignition parts. But of course they do, just not like the things petrol engines have. _________________ a car stops being fun when it becomes an investment |
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Peter_L
Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 2680 Location: New Brunswick. Canada.
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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badhuis wrote: | OK OK both you won me over. In my stupidness I always though one of the virtues of diesel engines is that they do not have/need ignition parts. But of course they do, just not like the things petrol engines have. |
A man of true worth recognizes the difference between a joke and a jibe... |
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V8 Nutter
Joined: 27 Aug 2012 Posts: 587
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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I was told by some one who works for a Japanese company that makes electronic components for the motor industry in general. Many components have a design life of approximately 180000 miles. So at 10000 miles a year your immaculate 18 year old car will start to fail, but it will be so old you probably won't be able to get parts anyway. |
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MVPeters
Joined: 28 Aug 2008 Posts: 822 Location: Northern MA, USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:16 am Post subject: |
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V8 Nutter wrote: | I was told by some one who works for a Japanese company that makes electronic components for the motor industry in general. Many components have a design life of approximately 180000 miles. So at 10000 miles a year your immaculate 18 year old car will start to fail, but it will be so old you probably won't be able to get parts anyway. |
Try telling that to owners of recent (less than 18 years) BMWs or MINIs.
BCM - Body Control Module - $400+/- plus labour & programming.
ECM - Engine Control Module - $5-600+/-.
LCM - Lighting Control Module - $250+/-.
Lucas used to call it a 'switch'. _________________ Mike - MVPeters at comcast.net
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lowdrag
Joined: 10 Apr 2009 Posts: 1585 Location: Le Mans
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Completely off topic, but we recently treated ourselves to a new TV. In the small print it is stated that spares will be made for a maximum period of two years. |
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7118 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:51 am Post subject: |
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MVPeters wrote: |
Try telling that to owners of recent (less than 18 years) BMWs or MINIs.
BCM - Body Control Module - $400+/- plus labour & programming.
ECM - Engine Control Module - $5-600+/-.
LCM - Lighting Control Module - $250+/-.
Lucas used to call it a 'switch'. |
This is why we as engineers should not restrict our interest to mechanism.
Peter _________________ http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk
1939 SS Jaguar 2 1/2 litre saloon |
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mikeC
Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1774 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:55 am Post subject: |
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MVPeters wrote: |
... Lucas used to call it a 'switch'. |
... and Yanks used to laugh at the 'Prince of Darkness' _________________ in the garage: 1938 Talbot Ten Airline
Recently departed: 1953 Lancia Appia, 1931 Austin Seven, 1967 Singer Chamois, 1914 Saxon, 1930 Morris Cowley, 1936 BSA Scout, 1958 Lancia Appia coupe, 1922 Star 11.9 ... the list goes on! |
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ukdave2002
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4104 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:11 am Post subject: |
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MVPeters wrote: | V8 Nutter wrote: | I was told by some one who works for a Japanese company that makes electronic components for the motor industry in general. Many components have a design life of approximately 180000 miles. So at 10000 miles a year your immaculate 18 year old car will start to fail, but it will be so old you probably won't be able to get parts anyway. |
Try telling that to owners of recent (less than 18 years) BMWs or MINIs.
BCM - Body Control Module - $400+/- plus labour & programming.
ECM - Engine Control Module - $5-600+/-.
LCM - Lighting Control Module - $250+/-.
Lucas used to call it a 'switch'. |
And the same dealer will charge £300 to change the oil, filter and plugs, I can't imagine what the dealer would charge for a short engine but suspect it will run into thousands
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Dipster
Joined: 06 Jan 2015 Posts: 408 Location: UK, France and Portugal - unless I am travelling....
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Slightly OT but as we are talking prices.....
An acquaintance recently misfueled his new Disco diesel. He rather foolishly drove it home to call his dealer for help. Total bill to "flush it through" (not quite that easy really as a good few components got changed)?
£7000 plus......
Meanwhile I will keep plodding along in my old Defender...... |
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Keith D
Joined: 16 Oct 2008 Posts: 1129 Location: Upper Swan, Western Australia
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:48 am Post subject: |
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The more I read of these prices to keep newish cars on the road, the more I feel inclined to buy a late 70's Holden Kingswood with it's lazy six cylinder, bullet proof engine and three speed manual gearbox. The only engine electrical bits are the coil, plugs, battery and points! I can keep these vehicles on the road safely, easily and cheaply! And surprise, surprise; a late 70's Holden fits the description of an Old Classic Car.................!!!
Keith _________________ 1926 Chrysler 60 tourer
1932 Austin Seven RN long wheelbase box sedan
1950 Austin A40 tourer
1999 BMW Z3
Its weird being the same age as old people.
You are either part of the problem or part of the solution |
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