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[Ellis]

A forum such as this is not a place for political discussion but whatever the consequences of the 2017 General Election there is one life changing event ahead of this country - the negotiations to leave the EU and return to an independent sovereign state.

There are very intellectual and able politicians on all sides of the political spectrum, Labour, Conservative, Liberal Democrats, SNP and others.

Do you not think because it is the country's and our future that is at stake that there should be an all parties consensus negotiating team conducting the Brexit negotiations?

The best and most able minds united in an effort to negotiate the best solutions for the realm.

Do you agree that such an arrangement is feasible, possible or wise?
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1964 Jaguar Mark 2 3.4 litre
1962 Land Rover Series 2a 88"
2002 BMW M3 E46 Cabriolet

[petermeachem]

Yes, but it won't happen. I think Keir Stamer should have an important role. He was the defence lawyer in the McLibel trial which, if nothing else, shows determination.

[peter scott]

[Riley Blue]

[Rick]

[Rootes75]

Politics only causes disagreements between friends, each of us has an opinion but I often think its best kept to ourselves.
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[52classic]

Point taken Gentlemen....... But I did enjoy the Brexit thread, not least for being a model of restraint!

As for the the impact on Brexit by the latest election, my youthful and idealistic self would have supported Ellis' idea 100% but since I became a grumpy old man I remember my life experience that coalitions and committees usually produce wooly decisions and weak compromises.

Could it be that our masters put their own agenda before ours?

For me, the seminal moment of the last election was Mrs May on that rostrum in a red outfit.......... "Nothing has changed. Nothing has changed."

When the maid protests her innocence you go and count the spoons!

[JohnDale]

[peter scott]

[alastairq]

A recent intervew with an audience member on BBC's Question Time summed it all up for me. He wasn't a youngster, yet not an old fahrt, either...but he failed to comprehend why so much store has been set, on who said what, or what promises were made, policies,etc...when the reality was, very likley, a large percentage of Leave voters had already made up their minds long before there were any thoughts of a referendum.

Arguments for & against were irrelevant!
[Certainly to me..I had already made my mind up, years ago.]

What the referendum hilighted [ to my eyes] was, that, voter apathy may get folk what they don't want.

Also, the referendum highlighted the ever-widening divide between the [affluent?] South-East, and the rest of this country?

The antics of many individuals subsequent to the referendum also fill me with concern for the well-being of even our sad form of democracy.

I foresee a united Ireland being the easiest option in dealing with that particular border issue.....which won't please many , but one cannot have one's cake, & eat it? I would not like to see us accepting a watered-down version of a deal, simply to appease a relatively tiny minority of individuals. Northern Ireland did vote overwhelmingly to 'remain'.....the above, may well be the best option they have.

I noted that many 'remainers' also either bent the facts, or ignored them altogether.
I am thinking especially of the SNP's campaign to remain....and the singular failure to publicise even what the EU was saying, concerning Scotland's efforts to stay within the EU?

I feel the greatest threat to democracy is the social media.

[Ray White]

The only relevance of Brexit to this forum - as I see it - is if it affects our hobby in any way. I hope when Parliament debate the issues affecting historic vehicles; i.e. regulations, they listen to the views of those likely to be affected and not just settle for a quick fix.

Yes, I know......pigs might fly.