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HS1 mk1 in the '60s
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Penman



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:05 pm    Post subject: HS1 mk1 in the '60s Reply with quote

Hi
Starting at 19:41 the HoverTrain.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0952dp0/inside-out-east-18092017
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The link didn't work here, in Canada, but I found this one

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-cambridgeshire-41268817/museum-in-bid-to-preserve-1960s-uk-hovertrain
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.

Here is a photo of another prototype which was built for British Railways by English Electric in 1961.
It's a 4-6-0 gas turbine locomotive, the tender carried kerosene rather than coal. It was only evaluated for a year before withdrawal because BR had decided to proceed only with diesel and electric traction. The locomotive was finally dismantled in 1965 after being in storage.
The colour is not Midland Red but red oxide paint.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

That is the GT3.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_GT3

I didn't know about that one until a few years ago, but I did ride behind one of the western regions Gas Turbines 18001 or 18000 from Bristol to Reading, they had to use one of the outside paltforms at Bristol because of the scream of the engine.
There was another turbine loco the LMRs Turbomotive 6202 but that was a converted Princess Royal 4-6-2 and was coal fired.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penman wrote:

There was another turbine loco the LMRs Turbomotive 6202 but that was a converted Princess Royal 4-6-2 and was coal fired.


Yes indeed, 6202 was a successful technological innovation at the time. It was a tragedy that that the rebuilt 6202, 46202 Princess Anne, was damaged beyond repair at the dreadful Harrow and Wealdstone crash.

Two other prototypes have interested me as well : Gresley's "Hush, hush", no 10000 with a marine type boiler :

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and the aptly named "Fury" from the LMS :

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ellis wrote:
Interesting.

Here is a photo of another prototype which was built for British Railways by English Electric in 1961.
It's a 4-6-0 gas turbine locomotive, the tender carried kerosene rather than coal. It was only evaluated for a year before withdrawal because BR had decided to proceed only with diesel and electric traction. The locomotive was finally dismantled in 1965 after being in storage.
The colour is not Midland Red but red oxide paint.

[img][/img]


I saw (and heard) this demonstrated at the Model Engineer exhibition a few years ago. Make sure you have the volume turned up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07-0AlRQT2o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bxwcLX9yLE
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't one just love this on their model rail layout. Hush Hush


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peterwpg wrote:
Wouldn't one just love this on their model rail layout. Hush Hush




The detail on that model is breathtaking but as a personal choice I preferred the rebuilt 10000. From what I have read the rebuild was a special locomotive with better and smoother fast running capabilities than the A4s. Not surprisingly with a 4-6-4 wheel arrangement it had a smooth and stable ride.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ellis: Yes the rebuilt "Gresley" has great lines, and perhaps is more aesthetically pleasing, but the "Hush Hush" has so much more uniqueness and who knows how many conversation pints.

I know a guy who can "custom build", maybe I should send him a photo.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let us not forget, in the USA, gas turbine locomotives were in regular use for 10 years or more....on the Union Pacific Railroad....during the 1950's...



These were huge by any standards.....bigger than even EMD's dual motored monsters.. {EMD being a General Motors company....sort-of like, Bedford ws to VAuxhall? Smile ]
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even in America they could not overcome the noise issue.

Quote:The turbine fleet pulled freight trains between Council Bluffs, Iowa, and Ogden, Utah. Although tested on the Salt Lake City to Los Angeles run, their tremendous noise quickly made them unpopular in California. The locomotives were nicknamed "Big Blows" for their deafening jet engine exhaust noise. The huge locomotives, with their big appetite for fuel oil, eventually fell victim to the more efficient diesels, and in 1970 the turbines ran their last miles.

Union Pacific also experimented with a steam turbine in 1939 and a coal-fired turbine in 1962. Neither locomotive however, was successful.
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Link: Full article.
https://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/gas-turbine/index.htm
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