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Replacement for Fograngers on Jaguar Mark 2
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Ellis



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:14 pm    Post subject: Replacement for Fograngers on Jaguar Mark 2 Reply with quote

Ladies and gentlemen may I have your opinions and advice please.

Below is a photo of the Fogranger lights on the front of a Jaguar Mark 2 :



A traditional look and contemporary to the Mark 2. In terms of practicality of additional illumination they are useless even the alternative Spotrangers .

I know that Jaguar's designer Ian Callum caused a lot of controversy with his interpretation of an updated Mark 2 but have a look at his idea for what he has designed in their place .



I'm not into plagiarism but I do like his idea and would like to recreate the additional lights on my own Mark 2 in a similar way and be useful as well
The Fogranger or Spotranger are simply bolted on from behind through a hole in the recess.

Have any of you any ideas how he's created this idea? I thought he may have used 7" Tractor lights but someone has suggested he's used 5 3/4" driving lights from some other manufacturer.

Can you all have a think and let me know your ideas?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ellis,

The problem I see is the lack of space in the Ranger casing. As you know the lamp sits vertically with the contacts cuilt into the rear of the shell. Ive seen a sealed beam unit with the terminals bent flat that fitted the rim (I think it was a Lucas product) but I canít remember the model name. It looks like this:-
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/new/4596291.jpg

Edit, What about the WFT576 that they used to fit as reversing lamps to the rally Minis https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lucas-WFT576-Centre-Mounting-Foglight-Fog-Light-for-Sprite-Mini-Cooper-S/192581924136?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D53672%26meid%3D9b3fc776c4494400a4b1f8da1f2f1bd1%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D7%26sd%3D142898236195%26itm%3D192581924136&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Art, thank you very much for your reply and for taking the time and trouble to investigate and find those links. I like the second idea.

I've got plenty of time to think about this but what you given me is food for thought.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ellis wrote:
Art, thank you very much for your reply and for taking the time and trouble to investigate and find those links. I like the second idea.
I've got plenty of time to think about this but what you given me is food for thought.
Ellis


The WFT576 will be an improvement, but not by a lot & it's a very wide fog beam. There is a spot version WLR576.

I think I'd take a look at 5 3/4" headlight units in the existing shells. See if you can find any old unit from any 4-headlamp car & see what mods might be needed to the shell - it might not be much.
Then look for Cibie 57-30-02, 57-32-02 or -07 for just the glass unit.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MVPeters wrote:
Ellis wrote:
Art, thank you very much for your reply and for taking the time and trouble to investigate and find those links. I like the second idea.
I've got plenty of time to think about this but what you given me is food for thought.
Ellis


The WFT576 will be an improvement, but not by a lot & it's a very wide fog beam. There is a spot version WLR576.

I think I'd take a look at 5 3/4" headlight units in the existing shells. See if you can find any old unit from any 4-headlamp car & see what mods might be needed to the shell - it might not be much.
Then look for Cibie 57-30-02, 57-32-02 or -07 for just the glass unit.


Thank you MVPeters. The more suggestions the better. The smaller size headlights from a Jaguar 420 have also crossed my mind.

At this rate I'm sure we are all going to agree on a mutually satisfactory solution. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely, a fog light should have a wide, but flat, beam? So the water droplets don't lift the light beam too much?

Personally I'd have a couple of spots in there, maybe linked to full beam?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for your suggestions and advice and what I have decided to do is to uprate the headlamps and fit 2 x Lucas WLR 576 spotlights in place of the fograngers.

To try to fit a pair of 5 3/4" headlamps would have meant some bodywork alterations which although aesthetically attractive on the Ian Callum Mark 2, I still want my Mark 2 to have the original look.

Thank you all.

For those who may be interested the Lucas WLR 576 Spot lamp look like this :

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lucas-WLR576-Centre-Mounting-Spotlight-Spot-Light-Lamp-for-Sprite-Mini-Cooper-S/202352231735?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

And the uprated headlamps are going to be these ;

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Austin-Mini-P700-7-Halogen-Headlight-Head-Lamp-Tripod-Conversion-Kit/261756715956?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

It's going to be a kitty emptying time methinks. Still the 15 year old son of a friend of mine has been given a new bike on his birthday.

"£500?" I asked.

With a sad shake of the head his father answered "No change from £3000 and the warranty does not even cover the bearings..........."
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