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Rick
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Rootes75
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Looks to be in really good condition, a service and off you go.
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Ray White
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"A VINTAGE car that sat gathering dust under a pile of junk in a garage for 47 years is set to fetch up to £5,000 at auction."
Nice find but why do the Media insist on using the "vintage" tag for cars that they must know are not of that period?
Sorry if it seems pedantic but I think they just do it to annoy us. |
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Rick
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Ray White wrote: | "A VINTAGE car that sat gathering dust under a pile of junk in a garage for 47 years is set to fetch up to £5,000 at auction."
Nice find but why do the Media insist on using the "vintage" tag for cars that they must know are not of that period?
Sorry if it seems pedantic but I think they just do it to annoy us. |
They know no better sadly, although vintage doesn't really have a definition as such does it - other than what the VSCC came up with (upto and including 1930)?
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ukdave2002
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My memories of an A35 go back to when I was about 7 years old, our next door neighbour (Monica) had one and she rolled it! many years later she and her husband Terry sailed (if that's the correct terminology?) their narrow boat across the English channel. Terry wrote a book about it "Narrow Dog To Carcassonne"
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Ray White
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| Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Rick wrote: |
They know no better sadly, although vintage doesn't really have a definition as such does it - other than what the VSCC came up with (upto and including 1930)?
RJ |
I think it goes further than that. Generally, something can only really be accepted as a rule if it is adopted by the cognoscenti. As far as I know the VSCC date for Vintage cars has been used as a benchmark by motoring historians for many years and although a peculiarly British expression it is a convenient means of identification. I doubt you will find a member of the Society of Motoring Historians who would not happily use the term to mean pre 1931. (except for PVTs)
They would certainly not use it for later vehicles.
When used by the media, the term "vintage" also often mistakenly attributes some element of superior quality to the vehicle in question when it is but a convenient dating device; no more, no less. The media therefore are guilty of further misrepresenting the very subject on which they they are reporting.
There are no excuses for incorrectly describing a "classic" car as "Vintage" - any more that if they were to improperly choose the term "veteran".
Journalists know full well what they are doing and have been criticised for many years but they insist on doing the same thing over and over again. They must think if they have been taught to report in what might be called a 'loose' style then they have every right to continue with it. |
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petelang
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Must be catching from eBay Ray, since anything on there that's more than 10 years old is classed as "vintage" and if it was made last year it's "Retro"
Bloody infuriates me. I have a search set up on Vintage car parts and see more bits for BMW'S than anything pre war.
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Ray White
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| Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| petelang wrote: | Must be catching from eBay Ray, since anything on there that's more than 10 years old is classed as "vintage" and if it was made last year it's "Retro"
Bloody infuriates me. I have a search set up on Vintage car parts and see more bits for BMW'S than anything pre war.
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In a funny way I am more likely to accept such errors from the general public. Why should they be expected to adhere to or even be aware of the finer details that we take for granted.
It is the professional duty of journalists to report accurately and in my opinion it is simply unacceptable for them to routinely get it wrong.
Imagine if they were to write a piece on Queen Victoria and repeatedly refer to her as a Tudor Monarch.?
The constant dumbing down of automotive history is practically stock in trade for the print media. For example, they will happily describe the London to Brighton run as the "old crocks race".
I rest my case.
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ukdave2002
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One challenge is that the "classic" automotive sector has shoehorned adjectives in to nouns (veteran, vintage,classic etc), and we expect the rest of the world to understand this transformation. Whilst it is fairly well documented there are geographic differences in interpretations, and confusing because the same model of vehicle can straddle more than one category....
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alastairq
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| Quote: | The constant dumbing down of automotive history is practically stock in trade for the print media. For example, they will happily describe the London to Brighton run as the "old crocks race".
I rest my case. |
What annoys me even more is the passing-off of information as accurate, or factual, by those who write the brief articles regarding motoring issues, put out on websites and magazines from the likes of banks and insurance companies. [Never mind the banal press?].
Issues such as, insurance, and valid MoTs? [Following the exemption rules changes, etc....and the recent MoT extensions due to covid?]
Or, the advent of increased ethanol levels, and classic cars? [Pure scaremongering, written by those who prefer to listen to bar-room chatter, or urban myth?]
Or, the reference to motorsporting trials as 'races' or 'rallies?' [Implying they are speed events conducted by hooligans..or so the implication seems?]
I, personally, have taken to task, a bank, and an insurer, over the misinformation published, literally, in their names.....The outcome has been, a sincere 'thank you' and the alteration [rapidly] of what has been published.
It seems these auguste institutions employ folk who don't bother reading what they contract in?
Of course, most people 'in-the-know' won't bother themselves correcting these falsehoods...or making the publisher aware of the falsehood....
Seems I'm one of those with time on their hands?
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Ray White
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| Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| ukdave2002 wrote: | One challenge is that the "classic" automotive sector has shoehorned adjectives in to nouns (veteran, vintage,classic etc), and we expect the rest of the world to understand this transformation. Whilst it is fairly well documented there are geographic differences in interpretations, and confusing because the same model of vehicle can straddle more than one category....
Dave |
Dave, you make a very important point about the mis use of adjectives as nouns. This is a distinction that, as you infer, we have come to accept without batting an eye lid.. and yet we criticise our American cousins for doing exactly the same thing. Awesome. 
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Penman
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Hi
Then there is the use of nouns as verbs such as "I am determined to medal at the championships"
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Ray White
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| Penman wrote: | Hi
Then there is the use of nouns as verbs such as "I am determined to medal at the championships" |
I think that would be a homophone; that is a type of homonym... (words that sound alike and have different meanings)... but also have different spellings. |
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