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mikeC
Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1774 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Not very conclusive, as many manufacturers changed their radiator shape post-war, but this is a 1922 Vulcan, which shows a similar radiator top shape:
My guess is the mystery car was probably a one-off, so unless we can find some Southport sand-racing photos featuring this car, I doubt it will ever be confirmed ... _________________ in the garage: 1938 Talbot Ten Airline
Recently departed: 1953 Lancia Appia, 1931 Austin Seven, 1967 Singer Chamois, 1914 Saxon, 1930 Morris Cowley, 1936 BSA Scout, 1958 Lancia Appia coupe, 1922 Star 11.9 ... the list goes on! |
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Penman
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4756 Location: Swindon, Wilts.
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Rick
It might be worth sending a copy to Colin Poynter the Pre-37 Registrar of the Lea Francis Owners Club as a lot of Vulcans were sold as Leafs.
It might be a one off body for one of the race intended cars, they might know about it without having a photo for their gallery. _________________ Bristols should always come in pairs.
Any 2 from:-
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Peter_L
Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 2680 Location: New Brunswick. Canada.
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Vulcan cars I found also had wooden spoke wheels. If the driver worked for Vulcan who, at that time, made motor cars and it is on Southport Beach which has a long history of motor sport plus the technical information put forward by Mike C it is looking likely to be a "Vulcan Special". The Vulcan company used a Blacksmith figure for their mascots, very unusual profile....
Rick:... can you home in on the radiator mascot ?... |
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7118 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Looking at Barrie Price's Leaf book the hubs and radiators of cars of that period look very different from the mystery car.
There are a couple of photos of Leaf "D" types that have solid disc wheels with four studs like the the Vulcan in Mike's photo but they have "V"ed radiators.
Peter
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Peter_L
Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 2680 Location: New Brunswick. Canada.
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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peter scott wrote: | Looking at Barrie Price's Leaf book the hubs and radiators of cars of that period look very different from the mystery car.
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A very valid point Peter (s)... but if one worked at Vulcan, is there not even the slightest leaning that it used Vulcan components.
Rick: Do you know the name of the gentleman in the photo ?
From Newspaper Archives:.. 1906 A Vulcan won First Prize at Blackpool Speed Trials.... |
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Ray White
Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 6308 Location: Derby
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7118 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Rick wrote: | The chap in the driver's seat worked for Vulcan, the lorry manufacturer, and the location is Southport beach. But what is the car?
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The hubs on the car above look to me the same as those below.
Peter
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mikeC
Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1774 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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I have received confirmation from 'one who knows' that this is, indeed, a Vulcan. He confirms that the location is Southport beach, where Vulcans raced a number of cars including this one; the driver is William Hampson, a member of the Hampson family who owned Vulcans. The original photo is in the Atkinson Museum in Southport. The date cannot be confirmed but is definitely pre-War, probably 1912,13, or 14. _________________ in the garage: 1938 Talbot Ten Airline
Recently departed: 1953 Lancia Appia, 1931 Austin Seven, 1967 Singer Chamois, 1914 Saxon, 1930 Morris Cowley, 1936 BSA Scout, 1958 Lancia Appia coupe, 1922 Star 11.9 ... the list goes on! |
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Peter_L
Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 2680 Location: New Brunswick. Canada.
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info Mike. I had looked into the Hampson family after finding several newspaper and motoring magazine articles which mentioned Hampson racing Vulcans at various locations. One in particular was on the East Coast at Saltburn. I came across an article that mentioned hill climbs held at Holme Moss. Although it didn't say which side, I would hazard a guess at the Holmfirth side as the bends and the gradient are more of a challenge than the Woodhead route.... |
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Rick Site Admin
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 22442 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:40 am Post subject: |
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mikeC wrote: | I have received confirmation from 'one who knows' that this is, indeed, a Vulcan. He confirms that the location is Southport beach, where Vulcans raced a number of cars including this one; the driver is William Hampson, a member of the Hampson family who owned Vulcans. The original photo is in the Atkinson Museum in Southport. The date cannot be confirmed but is definitely pre-War, probably 1912,13, or 14. |
Excellent, thanks Mike, I'll pass that on. I have the name of Frank Horton as the driver, a company test driver.
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mikeC
Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1774 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Interesting; I'll pass that name on to my contact. Certainly the man in the WW1 ambulance photo has similarities to that in the racing car. _________________ in the garage: 1938 Talbot Ten Airline
Recently departed: 1953 Lancia Appia, 1931 Austin Seven, 1967 Singer Chamois, 1914 Saxon, 1930 Morris Cowley, 1936 BSA Scout, 1958 Lancia Appia coupe, 1922 Star 11.9 ... the list goes on! |
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mikeC
Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1774 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:07 am Post subject: |
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Just for a change, here's a motorcycle that I would like to identify; my knowledge of 2-wheelers is pretty minimal, but my guess is it probably dates from the late 1920s or early 1930s, but beyond that I'm clueless:
_________________ in the garage: 1938 Talbot Ten Airline
Recently departed: 1953 Lancia Appia, 1931 Austin Seven, 1967 Singer Chamois, 1914 Saxon, 1930 Morris Cowley, 1936 BSA Scout, 1958 Lancia Appia coupe, 1922 Star 11.9 ... the list goes on! |
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Rick Site Admin
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 22442 Location: UK
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7118 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:58 am Post subject: |
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I couldn't find anything like it but it's funny the strange things you do find!
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Kenham
Joined: 12 Mar 2012 Posts: 209 Location: Kent
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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I find that motorcycle rather intriguing , it almost looks like someone has built it with an air cooled stationary engine and has built the frame around it.
it looks to be a fair heavy thing, also the front brake seems to be on the outside of the wheel, very strange, lovely picture. |
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