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Rick Site Admin
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 22446 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:15 pm Post subject: Rolls-Royce always hyphenated? |
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Hi all,
I'm looking at two small spanners here, on which Rolls-Royce is hyphenated on both. Both also have part number F.51960 on them.
There is also a slightly larger third spanner where Rolls Royce is un-hyphenated. It bears numbers F51934 and CN24 on it.
At first I thought maybe, at one time, the difference may be between the car division, and the aero engine division, but it appears not.
Has R-R always been hyphenated? Why would one spanner not be so? I'd have thought the company would be pretty insistent that the "-" was included on their branded tools if it should be.
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Peter_L
Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 2680 Location: New Brunswick. Canada.
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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The hyphen is discussed in books about Rolls Royce and the partner Claude Johnson. Google "Rolls Royce Hyphen" will take you to links
Leave out the " " for a better result |
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alastairq
Joined: 14 Oct 2016 Posts: 1953 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Without doing a search.................
Rolls Royce also made engines....[or they were made under some sort of licensing agreement with a Mr Perkins?]....Engines used especially by the military, but also civilian projects...
Which may or may not have resulted in unhyphenated logos? _________________ Dellow Mk2, 1951 built, reg 1952.
Fiat 126 BIS
Cannon special [1996 registered. Built in 1950's]
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Ford Pop chassis, Ashley 1172 bodyshell, in pieces. |
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Ray White
Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 6312 Location: Derby
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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As Peter infers; Claude Johnson was regarded as the hyphen in Rolls - Royce. I used to work with a group of retired Rolls Royce engineers and I recall them saying the same.
Perhaps the hyphen was dropped later on?.
As it happens as a young lad I sat behind the wheel of his most famous car; a beautiful 40/50 Ghost.
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Peter_L
Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 2680 Location: New Brunswick. Canada.
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Ray White wrote: | As Peter infers; Claude Johnson was regarded as the hyphen in Rolls - Royce. I used to work with a group of retired Rolls Royce engineers and I recall them saying the same.
Perhaps the hyphen was dropped later on?.
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I would put money on there being some RR expert who has a "chapter & verse" explanation as to the hyphen.
BTW Ray....... Great photo and what a great memory to have, the car must have been almost new when you sat behind the wheel.... |
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Ray White
Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 6312 Location: Derby
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Peter_L wrote: | Ray White wrote: | As Peter infers; Claude Johnson was regarded as the hyphen in Rolls - Royce. I used to work with a group of retired Rolls Royce engineers and I recall them saying the same.
Perhaps the hyphen was dropped later on?.
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I would put money on there being some RR expert who has a "chapter & verse" explanation as to the hyphen.
BTW Ray....... Great photo and what a great memory to have, the car must have been almost new when you sat behind the wheel.... |
Very funny.
I first visited the Montague Motor Museum with my parents when on holiday in the New Forest. In those days Lord Montague would show people around personally. He and my Dad got on well especially as Dad had so much knowledge about old cars.
We became regular visitors and when the Museum became the National Motor Museum and moved the collection into some larger buildings it became home to some land speed record cars like Malcolm Campbell's Bluebird.
It was Henry Segraves 231 mph 'Golden Arrow' that I particularly admired and his Lordship graciously allowed me to sit at the wheel of that incredible machine too!
I remember returning to school brimming full of my adventures but unfortunately my class mates knew nothing of (and cared even less about) such things.
The Golden Arrow - more correctly known as the Irving-Napier Special. |
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Rick Site Admin
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 22446 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Ray White wrote: | As Peter infers; Claude Johnson was regarded as the hyphen in Rolls - Royce. I used to work with a group of retired Rolls Royce engineers and I recall them saying the same.
Perhaps the hyphen was dropped later on?.
As it happens as a young lad I sat behind the wheel of his most famous car; a beautiful 40/50 Ghost.
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Some years ago, when R-R was still in Crewe, I was returning home from a friend's place one evening and spotted AX 201 with its bonnet up, in a modern housing estate not far from the factory - a failure-to-proceed moment I think.
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Ray White
Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 6312 Location: Derby
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Rick wrote: |
Some years ago, when R-R was still in Crewe, I was returning home from a friend's place one evening and spotted AX 201 with its bonnet up, in a modern housing estate not far from the factory - a failure-to-proceed moment I think.
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It just goes to show that it can happen to anyone. |
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