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Rolls-Royce always hyphenated?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:15 pm    Post subject: Rolls-Royce always hyphenated? Reply with quote

Hi all,

I'm looking at two small spanners here, on which Rolls-Royce is hyphenated on both. Both also have part number F.51960 on them.

There is also a slightly larger third spanner where Rolls Royce is un-hyphenated. It bears numbers F51934 and CN24 on it.

At first I thought maybe, at one time, the difference may be between the car division, and the aero engine division, but it appears not.

Has R-R always been hyphenated? Why would one spanner not be so? I'd have thought the company would be pretty insistent that the "-" was included on their branded tools if it should be.

RJ
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hyphen is discussed in books about Rolls Royce and the partner Claude Johnson. Google "Rolls Royce Hyphen" will take you to links

Leave out the " " for a better result
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without doing a search.................
Rolls Royce also made engines....[or they were made under some sort of licensing agreement with a Mr Perkins?]....Engines used especially by the military, but also civilian projects...

Which may or may not have resulted in unhyphenated logos?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Peter infers; Claude Johnson was regarded as the hyphen in Rolls - Royce. I used to work with a group of retired Rolls Royce engineers and I recall them saying the same.

Perhaps the hyphen was dropped later on?.

As it happens as a young lad I sat behind the wheel of his most famous car; a beautiful 40/50 Ghost.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
As Peter infers; Claude Johnson was regarded as the hyphen in Rolls - Royce. I used to work with a group of retired Rolls Royce engineers and I recall them saying the same.

Perhaps the hyphen was dropped later on?.



I would put money on there being some RR expert who has a "chapter & verse" explanation as to the hyphen.

BTW Ray....... Great photo and what a great memory to have, the car must have been almost new when you sat behind the wheel.... Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter_L wrote:
Ray White wrote:
As Peter infers; Claude Johnson was regarded as the hyphen in Rolls - Royce. I used to work with a group of retired Rolls Royce engineers and I recall them saying the same.

Perhaps the hyphen was dropped later on?.



I would put money on there being some RR expert who has a "chapter & verse" explanation as to the hyphen.

BTW Ray....... Great photo and what a great memory to have, the car must have been almost new when you sat behind the wheel.... Wink Laughing


Very funny. Laughing

I first visited the Montague Motor Museum with my parents when on holiday in the New Forest. In those days Lord Montague would show people around personally. He and my Dad got on well especially as Dad had so much knowledge about old cars.

We became regular visitors and when the Museum became the National Motor Museum and moved the collection into some larger buildings it became home to some land speed record cars like Malcolm Campbell's Bluebird.

It was Henry Segraves 231 mph 'Golden Arrow' that I particularly admired and his Lordship graciously allowed me to sit at the wheel of that incredible machine too!

I remember returning to school brimming full of my adventures but unfortunately my class mates knew nothing of (and cared even less about) such things.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
As Peter infers; Claude Johnson was regarded as the hyphen in Rolls - Royce. I used to work with a group of retired Rolls Royce engineers and I recall them saying the same.

Perhaps the hyphen was dropped later on?.

As it happens as a young lad I sat behind the wheel of his most famous car; a beautiful 40/50 Ghost.


Some years ago, when R-R was still in Crewe, I was returning home from a friend's place one evening and spotted AX 201 with its bonnet up, in a modern housing estate not far from the factory - a failure-to-proceed moment I think.

RJ
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick wrote:

Some years ago, when R-R was still in Crewe, I was returning home from a friend's place one evening and spotted AX 201 with its bonnet up, in a modern housing estate not far from the factory - a failure-to-proceed moment I think.

RJ


It just goes to show that it can happen to anyone.
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