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Ray White



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:06 pm    Post subject: Interesting gauge Reply with quote

I noticed this rather interesting gauge in a delightful Riley 12/4 Adelphi which is coming up for auction.

You have a petrol gauge and have to push the white button to get an oil reading. Neat!

I am inexperienced with pre War Rileys but can see their appeal
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https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/auctions/1937-riley-124-adelphi-4aDa7n#&gid=1&pid=55
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray, I have little to no knowledge of prewar Rileys, but I do enjoy unusual gauges and gadgets. Thanks for posting it. Very interesting functionality and economy of dash-space.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was a standard feature of all P4 Rovers- i.e. 1950 to 1963. Not sure if it was carried forward to the P5 model as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also standard on pre-war Rovers. The sender unit on the sump (similar to a petrol-tank sender) fills with oil, so is not to be trusted!
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Castellated nut wrote:
Also standard on pre-war Rovers. The sender unit on the sump (similar to a petrol-tank sender) fills with oil, so is not to be trusted!


...so the gauge reads full when it could be empty???
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray, the better quality products from your MG factory also have this feature.

http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk/SADash-1.JPG

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh how technology comes around full circle?
Todays standard Military [UK Army] trucks have a dashboard dipstick facility.
Albeit more like a desktop computer to access.
Plus, the onboard computer can tell anyone who might want to know, if a driver has checked their engine oil [electronically] before first starting the engine!

[So the excuse, ''I checked the oil, honest'' can be verified....going back quite some time too.]

But before anyone argues that electronic gauges can 'lie,' part of the military driver's responsibilities is to conduct period physical checks [first user each week]...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My "modern" recently demonstrated that the oil pressure warning light was sufficient. The strainer/pump feed pipe had broken off such that if I accelerated away from rest or turned sharp right then the warning light flashed momentarily.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote




The T type MGs famously have a "slab" tank and only a low level warning light on the dash. The problem if you want to add a gauge is that it needs a sender unit but the baffles in the tank prevent one from being fitted. You would need to install a vertical column with sliding float but that would entail making another opening in the top of the tank.

This clever devise is a hydrostatic sender unit that I have bought and intend to fit. It allows a fuel gauge to be fitted without the need to make any extra holes in the tank.


https://ttypes.org/mg-t-series-fuel-level-gauge/
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some, possibly all, Mercedes Sprinter vans of recent years have had an electronic gadget for checking the sump oil. It can take some time to work if the computer is having an off day, but good luck trying to do it the old fashioned way - if there is a dipstick I couldn't find it.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a compulsory measure to carry a spare oil pressure sender for an XK-engined Jaguar these days, and has been for at least thirty years. They fail with a monotonous regularity, either provoking a heart attack by dropping to zero or short circuiting resulting in smoke issuing from the wiring. Rumour has it that the quality has improved, but I always have one in the spare wheel well, along with an in-line brake pressure switch amongst other essentials.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bitumen Boy wrote:
Some, possibly all, Mercedes Sprinter vans of recent years have had an electronic gadget for checking the sump oil. It can take some time to work if the computer is having an off day, but good luck trying to do it the old fashioned way - if there is a dipstick I couldn't find it.

I had a 5 Series BMW a few years ago, with no dipstick. Every now and then a message would come up on the multi function screen requesting that I add a litre of oil.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 1950 Commer we have has a dual oil/petrol dial, toggle between the two by a button.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

norustplease wrote:
Bitumen Boy wrote:
Some, possibly all, Mercedes Sprinter vans of recent years have had an electronic gadget for checking the sump oil. It can take some time to work if the computer is having an off day, but good luck trying to do it the old fashioned way - if there is a dipstick I couldn't find it.

I had a 5 Series BMW a few years ago, with no dipstick. Every now and then a message would come up on the multi function screen requesting that I add a litre of oil.


The practise of omitting the dipstick seems to have become the norm with many new cars. I think it is a shame if the time honoured practise should become another thing that future generations are denied.

Have a warning devise on the dash by all means but I think the dip stick can give you an indication of the health of the oil. I don't know whether the cars today can warn the driver if water is getting into the oil but if the level goes UP then it's a warning to the driver that something is wrong!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray

Omitting a dipstick on a modern car that uses no oil between services is certainly not so bad as the manufacturer either suppling a very dangerous low speed wheel and tyre as a spare, or even just an aerosol can.

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