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Do you like or dislike the new dashboard ?
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2026 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:
Ray White wrote:
This morning I started the engine and removed the leads one by one and managed to identify which cylinder I think is not firing.

The strange thing - to me at least - is that if I just hold the lead on the plug but not push it on, the engine runs sweetly. As soon as I push the lead right on, it starts misfiring again.

If I take the plug out and hold it against the head with the lead fully attached, it sparks O.K.

At the moment I am not sure what Is going on. Confused
Its because by creating an additional air gap, you are forcing the coil voltage to rise higher in order that the spark jumps to earth, it a way of getting fouled plugs to fire. I'd check or replace the plug or at least swap it to another cylinder to prove the point.

Dave


Thank you for that Dave. I have done just that and replaced the plug. The engine is now running sweetly.!

A brand new plug that fails after such aa short time? It would seem like there are no new parts that can be relied on these days. Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2026 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A brand new plug that fails after such aa short time? It would seem like there are no new parts that can be relied on these days. Shocked


Without conducting a forensic search, I cannot recall what make of plug you were using?

However, many 'decent' plug makes [NGK, for one] have suffered from 'cloning' on the spares market. The clones...with only slight differences in markings from the 'originals'...are possibly of dubious quality.

As I use NGK almost exclusively [they perform much better in my Ford sidevalve engines, than, for example, today's ''Champion'' plugs]...I have made a point of trying only to buy from a 'reputable' dealer, online.[How else these days?}
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2026 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My plugs are NGK but I can't recall where I bought them.

I took the TC up our lane to show my neighbour. he has a small collection of vintage/classics and was pleased to see the MG. He took some photos and we attempted to resolve the smokey exhaust by adjusting the carb...but without success. We are also inclined towards oil rather than petrol. The smoke had a more blue haze than I remember.

One thought is that there is too much oil getting into the rocker cover (a common fault). I have adjusted the oil pressure to 43PSI when hot which I didn't think would be too much. The other possibility is that when the engine was rebuilt the valve stem oil seals may have been omitted. The sump, by the way, is not over filled.

The engine is also overheating. Quite why, I don't know because I have an up rated water pump, a new electric fan (rotating the right way) and a clean water jacket. The only thought I have had is that because the bypass is not closed off fully ( I have a small hole in it to assist the heater) that not enough water is getting into the radiator when the thermostat opens...if it is opening, that is?



I will investigate.
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alastairq



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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2026 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is the supercharger lubricated?
Does it have an oil feed from the engine oil?
[ As per stuff like Shorrocks vane type blowers?}
If it receives pressurised oil from the engine, then the oil supply ought to be adjustable down a bit?
Otherwise the blower will blow excess engine oil into the intake manifold, & cylinders.This will lead to more smoke than usual.
Dellow offered Ventnor/Wade superchargers as optional extras on the Ford-sourced 1172cc sidevalve engine. they were known to be smokey . probably because of this?
My own unfitted Shorrock-type vane blower has a little pressure valve where the engine oil line fits, to adjust this oil flow.
Beware of not allowing enough oil to the blower, however....
My Aisin blowers have self lubrication...there's a lubricant hole for their special lubricant to be inserted, now & then. They are roots-type blowers, but with only 2 lobes, so need to be spun at least 1.5 times crank speed.
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V8 Nutter



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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2026 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue smoke points to oil burning. Possible causes could be, worn valve guides, or as you suggested no stem seals. Glazed bores or too smooth bores, and the rings are not bedding in properly. This could improve with use. The crankcase is not breathing properly. Just a few thoughts.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2026 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer may be simple and not so alarming; I?ve experienced this before, one restores a vehicle and it?s subject to a few short starts, the problem is that when cold the plugs build up some carbon, because the engine is never run for long the carbon never burns off, often a decent run sorts the plugs out. Re the blue smoke, run the car for a 100 miles, if it?s still a problem investigate.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2026 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

V8 Nutter wrote:
Blue smoke points to oil burning. Possible causes could be, worn valve guides, or as you suggested no stem seals. Glazed bores or too smooth bores, and the rings are not bedding in properly. This could improve with use. The crankcase is not breathing properly. Just a few thoughts.


Not that I can prove anything but as far as I am aware there are no "worn" parts in this professionally rebuilt engine.

I am pretty sure the engine builder (XPAG specialist) will have honed the bores so I am hoping the issue is as you say simply down to piston rings yet to bed in; to that end I am running the engine in with "running in" oil.

With respect to the crankcase breathing I would point to the exhaust drawn scavenger system that I have installed; similar to that used in light aircraft. Of course it may not be working as intended and if that is the case I shall throw in the towel.

The smoke is only faintly blue; not like you get with an engine with worn piston rings.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2026 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alastairq wrote:
How is the supercharger lubricated?
Does it have an oil feed from the engine oil?
[ As per stuff like Shorrocks vane type blowers?}
If it receives pressurised oil from the engine, then the oil supply ought to be adjustable down a bit?
Otherwise the blower will blow excess engine oil into the intake manifold, & cylinders.This will lead to more smoke than usual.
Dellow offered Ventnor/Wade superchargers as optional extras on the Ford-sourced 1172cc sidevalve engine. they were known to be smokey . probably because of this?
My own unfitted Shorrock-type vane blower has a little pressure valve where the engine oil line fits, to adjust this oil flow.
Beware of not allowing enough oil to the blower, however....
My Aisin blowers have self lubrication...there's a lubricant hole for their special lubricant to be inserted, now & then. They are roots-type blowers, but with only 2 lobes, so need to be spun at least 1.5 times crank speed.


Thanks for that Alastair but the supercharger is an Eaton M45 ...a modern design as used in everything from a BMW mini to a Mercedes. It does not have an oil feed and is basically maintenance free.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2026 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:
The answer may be simple and not so alarming; I?ve experienced this before, one restores a vehicle and it?s subject to a few short starts, the problem is that when cold the plugs build up some carbon, because the engine is never run for long the carbon never burns off, often a decent run sorts the plugs out. Re the blue smoke, run the car for a 100 miles, if it?s still a problem investigate.


Ever the optimist!

I really hope you are right and it will just sort itself out. Of course, as I have been reminded, back in the day it was fairly normal for cars to be a bit smokey. I remember Dad putting Redex in the petrol and that made it smoke.

I suppose we have become used to cars being virtually emission free. ( My Range Rover doesn't even register on LPG ) Back in the day, big Daimlers used a Knight sleeve valve engine that smoked like a chimney!!!

To be honest I am more concerned about the overheating.

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I have found the problem. I am entirely to blame. I have wired the fan incorrectly. It is running backwards. I will swap over the wires and it should be fine. Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed

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Ray White



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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2026 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have discovered why I keep getting air in the brakes. The problem is a poor quality flexible hose; or more specifically, the union with the wheel cylinder. The photo shows how a copper washer has distorted on tightening resulting in a leak. The problem is that the hose came without a sealing washer and if I remember correctly, I thought I could add a copper washer of my own.


The problem is that the plain section of the fitting beyond the threads is of a smaller diameter; resulting in an ill fitting washer. It is this washer that has distorted on tightening.

Ideally, the hose fitting would have had a non removable correctly sized sealing washer but it is not present on these hoses.

A spot of soft solder to the gap around the inside edge of a new copper washer - and filed flat- should enable it to seal safely.
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ukdave2002



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The washer looks to be a tad too large?, I have had this problem when fitting a "close" size metric washer to an imperial thread. The washer should have a similar internal diameter as a nut so that it "screws" on to the fitting and then has just a little slack when its past the threaded part of the fitting. You can always add a thread sealant for a belt and braces job.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:
The washer looks to be a tad too large?, I have had this problem when fitting a "close" size metric washer to an imperial thread. The washer should have a similar internal diameter as a nut so that it "screws" on to the fitting and then has just a little slack when its past the threaded part of the fitting. You can always add a thread sealant for a belt and braces job.


The washer has stretched and distorted out of shape on tightening.

It originally screwed on the threads but the non threaded area is a significantly smaller diameter.

Ideally, the hose should have had a correctly sized washer when it was made...but it had none at all.

I will try again but this time make certain that its remains central.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have fixed the leak and have a good brake pedal.

I have also reversed the wires on the fan and now that works as it should.

It was nice to take the car up our lane for a try out. She seems to steer straight and brakes well. I will need to investigate
the throttle actuation as the pedal is not moving very smoothly. It is seemingly either fully open or closed.

There seems to be plenty of power with first gear being little used. The clutch is sweet but as yet I haven't got out
of second gear...

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2026 8:17 am    Post subject: Throttle Fully open or closed Reply with quote

This sounds like a missing spring.
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2026 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: Throttle Fully open or closed Reply with quote

bjacko wrote:
This sounds like a missing spring.


I have investigated and the spring is present. It looks like the linkage has a "sticking" point so it needs freeing off.
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