Classic cars forum & vehicle restoration.

[peppiB]

Anyone made or used one of these? Claims for increased mpg seem incredible.

If you haven't heard of them, basically you have a 2 pint bottle of water under the bonnet. It has 2 stainless steel electrodes in it, fed from vehicle electrics, and the resulting gasses (HHO) are piped into the air intake or carb, depending on which instructions are followed.

[peter scott]

I think it's a bit like mounting a wind generator on the roof of your car.

Quote from Wiki:

[peppiB]

Have made one of these now and put it onto my V8 Merc. Initial results seem interesting - the engine starts as usual on petrol and after about 5 seconds the HHO kicks in. The engine then runs a lot smoother, and when driving it is almost silent. I had a friend follow me and there was virtually nothing coming out of the exhaust (this is a 1987 engine with 145000 miles on it) The car was far more responsive. I will check mpg on a measured run next week, but for what it cost the extra power, cleanliness and smooth running it is already worth it.

[buzzy bee]

Hi

I think you need to provide more details about this, and perhaps a few pictures?

Sounds very interesting, I think I missed this thread before!

Cheers

Dave

[peppiB]

here is a link to someone selling a crude kit on ebay. The one I made is a bit more refined than a jam jar! I can verify that it shifts carbon - there is a dirty great patch of it on my drive.

I may well use spare capacity at a fabrications factory I have an interest in to produce these commercially.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FIT-HYDROGEN-HHO-CELL-WATER4GAS-SAVE-FUEL-MPG-FULL-KIT_W0QQitemZ190246453522QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190246453522&_trkparms=72%3A984|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[peppiB]

Have now tested my unit on an uphill down dale route I regularly do. Including the very heavy climbs I achieved an overall saving of 25% in petrol (3 gallons today instead of the usual 4) and the unit used quarter of a pint of water. I did notice that on a flat dual carriageway the car was virtually coasting along so savings on a motorway run should exceed the 25%. The car was also a lot more responsive, and very quiet. I am well pleased

[bob2]

this is very interesting, could you put in some more details of what consists the kit and how to do it and install.
Thinking of making one for my daily!!
Will it work on short distances just the same though?

[peppiB]

Have started to make these units for sale now (well, I have orders for 2 anyway!!) and have refined my original design and will do some photos later today when I assemble the next one. You need 2 electrodes made from stainless steel, a container of approx 2 pints (depending on how much room you have under the bonnet) rubber piping like screenwash stuff, and connectors for the piping. Power must be through the ignition to one electrode, and the other electrode runs to earth. I feed the HHO gas into my system via the air intake, although some plans show it through the inlet manifold.

Yesterday I was running on tap water but some people report increased performance if you add a touch of bi-carb. Will get some of that next time I am in a supermarket and compare the performance.

It starts working about 5 seconds after you start the car, so short journeys are no problem. I will pm you the web page I post the photos on bob2 (and any other forum member that asks) so they are not on open view as currently plans for these things sell for between £30 and £50! I am selling the complete units for self fit at £50

[peppiB]

Steel hasn't arrived so will do photos when it does - probably tomorrow.

[bob2]

Ok seems fairly easy, will wait for the pics

cheers

[peppiB]

Fitted one of these to the Minor this afternoon. May have to upgrade the brakes and fit a servo as it goes like ****

[pigtin]

I'm fascinated by this concept and want to make one for my Sprite. But it's twin carb... What would work best: two seperate units, feeding it into the manifold, or two pipes from one unit, one to each carb?

Don.
_________________
Due to the onset of my mid eighties I'm no longer sprightly and rarely seen in my Austin special. I have written a book though. https://amzn.eu/d/7rwRRqL

[Rick]

Have there been tests to check for any long term affects to an engine?

Rick
_________________
Rick - Admin
Home:https://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk
Videos:https://www.youtube.com/user/oldclassiccarRJ/videos
OCC & classic car merchandise (Austin, Ford ++):
https://www.redbubble.com/people/OldClassicCar/shop

[peppiB]

Think this is an enthusiasts led thing so no formal testing as far as I know. People have reported their engines virtually carbon free when they have been dismantled. It certainly shifts the muck. I fitted one to someones 4.2 merc on Saturday. The car was in a dire state, really bunged up, misfiring, belching black smoke and stalling frequently. Cleaned the plugs, fitted a unit and fired it up. The amount of carbon deposited on my drive had to be seen to be believed. The engine suddenly became smooth running again, no black smoke and it drove beautifully. Had the owner on the phone twice now singing its praises and thinking I am some sort of magician for fixing his car.

I took my Minor around the lakes on Sunday - up hill and down dale. 165 miles on 3 gallons of petrol.

[Uncle Joe]

This is really against my better judgement to comment on this but anyway....

Ask yourselves a question, guys. If they really worked, then do you not think that the major motor manufacturers would be offering them on their vehicles by now? Motor manufacturers tested these something like 30 years ago to my knowldge, and found they didnt work.

They had a tendency to damage engines. Premature wear (I've personally seen one totally shot after 5000 miles). Nowadays, I expect that they would damage certain engine sensors, as well as increase certain emissions.

So what I would say is this. Save your money....