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fordf350camper
Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 358
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: Any idea what point gap should be on a two stroke barkas |
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Hi any idea what the gap should be on a two stroke barkas.Also there is 3 sets of points i have been told you can move each of them or all tree together so what way do you and how do you set the gap thanks Pete |
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ukdave2002
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4104 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Don't know what it should be, I'd set them to 20 thou and then measure the dwell (beg steal or borrow a dwell meter) see what the dwell looks like and re adjust the points as needed.
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ukdave2002
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4104 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Just thought its a 2 stroke 4 cylinder ? will a dwell meter work accuratly on 2 stroke? if so do you have to half the result? ........can't think brains fried had a mad week thank god its Friday!! |
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fordf350camper
Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 358
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Hi its a 3 cylinder thanks |
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Nic Jarman
Joined: 05 Oct 2008 Posts: 1031 Location: Stoke by Clare, Suffolk
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Dave, three sets of points on a 4 cylinder? Lay down in a dark room for a while. Points cam on a 2 stroke are normally on the end of the crankshaft with a back plate which 1 set is "fixed" and the other 2 are independently moveable on an adjusting cam, ie suzuki gt 380, 550, 750 also kawasaki H1 H2 and kh250. Can anyone think of a 4 cylinder 2 stroke? _________________ 1936 Morris 8 Series 1
1973 MGB roadster
1977 MG Midget 1500
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fordf350camper
Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 358
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Three sets of points 3 cylinder engine not four.Whats happening i have sparks at the spark plugs put it still will not start.I have put petrol down the carb it still will not start.The last owner put new points in but not sure if they was set correct.So i would like to know how i set the three lots of points. |
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Penman
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4756 Location: Swindon, Wilts.
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
Found this on Wiki
Quote: | B1000 production started in 1961 and continued until 1991. Originally the B1000 was powered by the 45 PS[1] three cylinder, two stroke DKW derived engine found also in contemporary Wartburgs |
So perhaps the Wartburg owners club http://www.ifaclub.org.uk/ might be able to help. _________________ Bristols should always come in pairs.
Any 2 from:-
Straight 6
V8 V10 |
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fordf350camper
Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 358
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks very much |
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Phil - Nottingham
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1252 Location: Nottingham
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:14 am Post subject: |
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I used to run 3 cylinder T/s AU/DKWS with points for each of the 3 coil. each set had to be timed individually on each cylinder and the points gap was standard 15thou. Each set of points had its won condesor too.
This set up could give strange problems with so many variables for each individual cylinder.
Too wide a points gap will give a poor spark - the gap si set for optimum performance for each engine.
What is the engine make Villiers? _________________ Rover P2
Rover P4
Rover P5 & P5B
Land Rover S2 & S3
Morris Mini Traveller Mk2 |
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fordf350camper
Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 358
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Hi phil not sure about the makers name.I just thought it was a barkas engine made by barkas same engine as the wartburg engine.It may not be the points just thought ifi know how to set them up i could check them.I smoke to sam glover who writes for one of the classic books,he use to own it he said it was runningThanks Pete good when he had it.But the last owner put new pints in it.I havetryed puting a little petrol down the carb still will not start,someone said try a little down the bore. |
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Phil - Nottingham
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1252 Location: Nottingham
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:55 am Post subject: |
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The Wartburg engine was virtually a copy of the DKW engine as they were split up after the 2nd WW. SAAB used a similar engine but with a dizzy
Both DKW/Wartburg and from what you say Barkas is likely to have used one or the other used the triple points set up run direct from the front end of the crankshaft.
It should be obvious on the CB fixings which moves the whole points to time the engine and which is used to set the gap.
The procedure is to set the gaps first. Then position the whole base place to which the poisnts are screwed centre in its two slotted fixings
Then time each set for its cylinder by removing all 3 plugs and turning the engine clockwise until the piston is at the correct point BTDC. Use a depth or dial gauge in the plug hole. The whole points are turned and positioned so they are just opining (find this point by connecting a test light which will go out when the open. Tighten up fixing screws and turn engine 1 complete revolution and wahtch light to ensure it goes out when piston is at right poistion. You mak have to do this several times.
Repeat on the other 2.
It does not take very long onec you get the knack and provided you do not disturb the points base fixings teh whole timing as be precisely set for all 3 by just turning the big base plate to get optimum performance.
If condensors are faulty fit stardard "modern" car/motorcycle ones of similar size/fixings.
If the points are Bosch you will probely be able to find similar but I would get in tough with the DKW and Wartburg Owners clubs - there is another one too that caters for these types of cars.
I have not dealt with DKW's over 30 years and hav esold all my literature/spares not long ago so all this is from memory _________________ Rover P2
Rover P4
Rover P5 & P5B
Land Rover S2 & S3
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fordf350camper
Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 358
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:05 am Post subject: |
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Hey thank you Phil very greatfull |
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