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Minxy
Joined: 22 Sep 2010 Posts: 272 Location: West Northants
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Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:40 pm Post subject: Tach dwell meters |
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Good day all.
I have decided to invest in a automotive multi-meter that, among other things, will do dwell and RPM.
So has anyone got any recommendations and can anyone confirm if having a positive earth vehicle make any difference.
Thanking you in advance. _________________ Hillman minx convertible. Lanchester LD 10 |
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MikeEdwards
Joined: 25 May 2011 Posts: 2467 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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I've got one somewhere that I've never used, if I remember I'll try to see if the instructions (if it has any) suggest any issues with positive earth. |
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ukdave2002
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4104 Location: South Cheshire
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Ray White
Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 6304 Location: Derby
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Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Dave. Perhaps you could answer a question about dwell?
Which is more important, getting the dwell angle right or getting the points gap right?
I am not sure how you can be sure of getting both right.
Or am I being electrically illiterate? |
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MVPeters
Joined: 28 Aug 2008 Posts: 822 Location: Northern MA, USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Ray
I'd say dwell is the most important. Jim Walker's explanation, the last post in the link UKDave provided, is a good one.
I've seen a US engine with an externally-adjustable points gap being tuned - it's a bit like adjusting the idle screw on a carb. to get the best running.
& then the ignition timing needs to be set & I, of course, would use a vacuum gauge for that!
Is Jim still around? We had several conversations about a Rolls that he was thinking of re-acquiring. Once owned by his family business, it was in a Museum on the west coast. _________________ Mike - MVPeters at comcast.net
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V8 Nutter
Joined: 27 Aug 2012 Posts: 587
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Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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I would say dwell is the most important. General Motors made the distributors with the window in the side where you can adjust the the dwell with the engine running, It's surprising the difference a couple of degrees error makes to the running, My dwell meter, an old American one I've had for about thirty years, will work on either polarity. |
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Ray White
Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 6304 Location: Derby
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:15 am Post subject: |
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Thank you Gents. That was obviously a question worth asking. |
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alastairq
Joined: 14 Oct 2016 Posts: 1950 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | General Motors made the distributors with the window in the side where you can adjust the the dwell with the engine running, It's surprising the difference a couple of degrees error makes to the running, |
Renault also had points adjustment conducted externally with the engine running a well. [Renault 14 being my personal experience]
I have an old [nay...ancient actually] Gunson meter which does all sorts.....so ancient, the dial is looking silvery..and the leads get harder every year...Must remember to wipe them with olive oil or something?
I found doing a dwell setting to be a trifle ''too much, too little, too much, too little, etc....since the engine needs stopping to adjust the points , then re-starting, only to find I've gone but a tad too far....
Things always improved once I'd junked the points for a hall sensor... _________________ Dellow Mk2, 1951 built, reg 1952.
Fiat 126 BIS
Cannon special [1996 registered. Built in 1950's]
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Ford Pop chassis, Ashley 1172 bodyshell, in pieces. |
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MikeEdwards
Joined: 25 May 2011 Posts: 2467 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:33 am Post subject: |
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MVPeters wrote: | Is Jim still around? We had several conversations about a Rolls that he was thinking of re-acquiring. Once owned by his family business, it was in a Museum on the west coast. |
If you mean jim.walker, it seems he last posted in a thread in 2017 and before that, 2014. In 2017 he mentioned that he hadn't been around for some time. |
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Minxy
Joined: 22 Sep 2010 Posts: 272 Location: West Northants
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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alastairq wrote: | Quote: | General Motors made the distributors with the window in the side where you can adjust the the dwell with the engine running, It's surprising the difference a couple of degrees error makes to the running, |
Renault also had points adjustment conducted externally with the engine running a well. [Renault 14 being my personal experience]
I have an old [nay...ancient actually] Gunson meter which does all sorts.....so ancient, the dial is looking silvery..and the leads get harder every year...Must remember to wipe them with olive oil or something?
I found doing a dwell setting to be a trifle ''too much, too little, too much, too little, etc....since the engine needs stopping to adjust the points , then re-starting, only to find I've gone but a tad too far....
Things always improved once I'd junked the points for a hall sensor... |
Dwell can be set from a cranking engine so an assistant turning the key (or in my case pushing a button) and ones self on the screwdriver and it’s job done. _________________ Hillman minx convertible. Lanchester LD 10 |
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alastairq
Joined: 14 Oct 2016 Posts: 1950 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Dwell can be set from a cranking engine so an assistant turning the key (or in my case pushing a button) and ones self on the screwdriver and it’s job done. |
I was born handicapped..I only have two arms.....neither of which are long enough... _________________ Dellow Mk2, 1951 built, reg 1952.
Fiat 126 BIS
Cannon special [1996 registered. Built in 1950's]
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Ford Pop chassis, Ashley 1172 bodyshell, in pieces. |
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ukdave2002
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4104 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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measuring points gap was only ever a simple way of setting dwell, as it only required a cheap set of feeler gauges...these day electronic equipment is cheap in the 60's, 70's & 80's it was incredibly expensive .
Dave |
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