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Preserving flakey old paint
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:59 pm    Post subject: Preserving flakey old paint Reply with quote

Here's an interesting short video on processes that can be used to stabilise and preserve original, flakey, paint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USOq_0HmBVw

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fascinating work. Gonna be expensive - 15-20 hours work for that side of the bonnet only! Only to stop the original paint flaking off.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fascinating work. Gonna be expensive - 15-20 hours work for that side of the bonnet only! Only to stop the original paint flaking off.


Isn't it refreshing though to see conservation in action, rather than simply stripping all that grotty old paint off and replacing it with nice new shiny paint? Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, and I applaud the efforts taken. But because of the high costs I do not see it as a viable option for most oily rag classics with values of less than 20k.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That vacuum idea is how they stick wood veneer to dashboards these days. I was talking to Andrew Denton of MG Ash Frames about making me a new dashboard and he explained how he veneered them with a vacuum bag rather than physically clamping them.

As it happens I have decided on leather now but the idea is obviously a neat, cheap solution to flaking paint as well.

I have to say, from my perspective, I would be more impressed to see new paint added - so you couldn't tell; like Old Masters are restored.

That would appeal to me.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Rick. I prefer conservation [posh word, had 3 goes with my spellchecker]....to simply stripping back and re-painting.
Somehow, most of the re-painted old motors I see just doesn't hack it as far as I'm concerned. the paint always looks 'wrong' to me. [especially if its 2-pack!!].

As for the '18 hours' of labour costing too much?

Well, 18 hours of my time costs me nowt.

The process described seems simple enough for a home bodger to achieve.
I doubt my Dellow [for example] has enough flaking paint to want fixing as per the example in the video....but it's nice to se how I can stabilize things where the paint is flaking.
I believe old motors should wear their life history proudly...patches and all.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alastairq wrote:
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I believe old motors should wear their life history proudly...patches and all.


Wherever possible I think the same, if I'd found big Dodge sooner then perhaps I could have poured several gallons of oil over it and preserved it. Alas it was never an option, although at least I kept all the old signwritten panels with it (if only to show how poor their condition is/was). Its original (mainly wartime) tyres are also stored away Smile Rolling Eyes Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this mean if you ding a wing or put a scratch down the side, you simply leave it for the next owner to admire? Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does this mean if you ding a wing or put a scratch down the side, you simply leave it for the next owner to admire? Razz


If it had been original paint, yes I would leave it.

But as it's not, I'd probably get it re-done as it's not the original paint any more.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick wrote:
Ray White wrote:
Does this mean if you ding a wing or put a scratch down the side, you simply leave it for the next owner to admire? Razz


If it had been original paint, yes I would leave it.

But as it's not, I'd probably get it re-done as it's not the original paint any more.

RJ


I normally wouldn't have anyone else touch it. Neither could I bear looking at damage that had been down to me.

I would probably spend a ridiculous amount of time repairing the damage and mixing paint, letting it dry, mixing more paint, letting it dry etc. until I had disguised it so no one would know.

I did this with the Dodge Brothers for small areas. That was fine until I reversed into a concrete post and really messed up the n/s rear wing. The light had been pushed into the body so the job was more than I could face. The only place in Derby still practicing old school panel beating techniques is Wilkinsons. They did a fantastic job but the cost ran into thousands of £... Shocked
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