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1990s cars - too soon?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:43 pm    Post subject: 1990s cars - too soon? Reply with quote

Aft'noon folks

Obviously I try to move with the times (!) and the old-car world has changed somewhat in the 20 years that OCC has been pottering along.

Is it too soon to be talking about cars of the 1990s here? Even discussing cars of the 1980s feels only just borderline acceptable, but is venturing into cars of the decade after that simply a leap too far????

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: 1990s cars - too soon? Reply with quote

Rick wrote:
Aft'noon folks

Obviously I try to move with the times (!) and the old-car world has changed somewhat in the 20 years that OCC has been pottering along.

Is it too soon to be talking about cars of the 1990s here? Even discussing cars of the 1980s feels only just borderline acceptable, but is venturing into cars of the decade after that simply a leap too far????

RJ


I think there are enough classic cars in the current time frame to be getting on with so I would suggest leaving things as they are.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My view?
Talk about whatever takes your fancy?

Many cars of the '90's were 'ground-breakers' in their own rights. Yet are more rarely seen out & about these days?
After all, they will be between 20 and 30 years old by now. Often well past their manufacturers' expiration date?
The 90's saw the end of old-school engineering, and the beginnings of the new stuff.
Skoda were still making{?} , certainly selling, their rear engined cars into the 90's. Big changes for Skoda on the horizon [and big surprises for VW/VAG too]

Daihatsu were still making old school, non-electronically-interfered-with diesels [4x4], at the time better known [by the non-cognoscenti] names were starting to produce such things we take for granted today [even?]

Let's face it, by the time we on here have bought for peanuts, and lovingly restored [or, left as is?]..a 90's vehicle, it'll likely qualify for zero VED and be MoT exempt?

I would suggest some inclusion anyway. If such subjects are considered taboo, one doesn't have to read about them?

The world will not end because of a 90's car, honest!
Plus, the prices are still at banger status...where all our cherished oldies were, once? Look how we regret what we ignored 20 or 30 years ago???

Edit..I'd like to add, just as a reminder, look at mark 1 and 2 Escorts?

Who would have thought it? Back in the 80's and 90's?
Come to that, I still cannot see the attraction of those Escorts? Except to youngsters who are influenced by fashion, and never knew them as the back street bangers they once were[and still are, in my mind]
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"That's one of those non electric cars, my dad had one when I was a kid , you had to take it to a special places to recharge I mean refuel"

In 30 years time all remaining fossil fueled cars will be in a class of their own, and it will be a shame if we forget about the later models'

People will always hark back to cars of their childhood and IMHO we should encourage the hobby without subjective boundaries.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still think of cars of the 'seventies as modern! But I agree with Alistair, if someone is enthusiastic enough about it to contribute, why not?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I quite enjoyed researching the inner workings of my 2004 Mondeo but I suspect it would bore the pants off most people here who don't own one.

https://talkford.com/community/topic/198261-fordiag-current-status/

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OCC caters for far more than just pre 1990 classic cars. There are regular posts on vintage and veteran cars as well as trucks and motorcycles. Frequently we all get side-tracked and wander off topic. So what? It makes very interesting reading. We discus tractors and aircraft. We discuss maps and locations. IMHO I think this broad outlook is what makes OCC the best motor forum on the 'Net.

I consider my 1999 Z3 a most enjoyable classic car, so I am certainly in favour of reading whatever a contributor wishes to discus on their newer car.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I purchased my first Honda CRV back in 1998. It was a year old. I am now on my third successive model ( soon to be forth maybe). I am now looking back at the Mk1 1990s models with fondness and an itchy wallet.

I say there are a lot of cars of this era I would give a second look at in a car park (or a show come to that) and I think they deserve recognition.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I am speaking out of turn... or out of somewhere else? Laughing

When I compare my P38 to my first 3 1/2 litre Range Rover they are eons apart. Perhaps that is why I have never regarded it as an old car...but it is now 21 years old! The realisation of this came home to me when I wanted a new silencer recently and discovered that they were unobtainable. Yes, there are countless after market copies but nothing built to the OE standards. When I found a n.o.s. silencer on Ebay they wanted 140 which is twice the price of the copied version.

Maybe a P38 is now regarded as a "classic car" - not to be confused with the Range Rover Classic which is quite different. I have noticed that prices seem to be creeping up.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have a 96 hilux which i do consider a classic in the true sense of the word,
i doubt i will be selling it any time soon.
when i had my 1st 50's ford it was only 25 years old and some older classic owners used to be a bit sniffy about it, so are some people not doing the same about a similar aged car now, the 90's was 20+ years ago almost the same gap!
is a classic something old or something worth keeping, you could argue a lot of cars were rubbish when new and not worth a second chance now.
it is up to the owner to have what he wants not what others tell him/her to own of any age.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith D wrote:
OCC caters for far more than just pre 1990 classic cars. There are regular posts on vintage and veteran cars as well as trucks and motorcycles. Frequently we all get side-tracked and wander off topic. So what? It makes very interesting reading. We discus tractors and aircraft. We discuss maps and locations. IMHO I think this broad outlook is what makes OCC the best motor forum on the 'Net.

I consider my 1999 Z3 a most enjoyable classic car, so I am certainly in favour of reading whatever a contributor wishes to discus on their newer car.

Keith


Maybe me should use this thread then to celebrate 1990s cars, off you go folks, more photos the better please.

PS I had a Z3 a few years back, a 2.8 widebody, a lot of fun - a modern-day big Healey in many ways (2 seats, sat over the back wheels, big straight six up front, not very complicated under the bonnet, quite curvy styling although I never fully liked the head-on view).

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After "fixing" vehicles for some 60+ years the Number 1 peeve I have today is that now, the more simple the task the more complex the work, (sometimes)... I say that sometimes because there are some tasks that appear to be $/ to time related in a way that benefits the dealers. Oil/filter - Brake friction material being one item.. Then there is the "WIZARD" maintenance, in goes the computer and out comes the cost. It seems to work on an inverse result to cost ratio.... Anything with the word "transmission" has an astronomical $/ to hourly/minute ratio.... My own Dodge Journey, I really like, it has comfortable performance, good comfort, excellent payload and easy of access if you of age that means a "post war" glint in your father's eye. Having said that, the Dodge's heating system is one equation short of the latest Mar's lander, it is slightly better than my 1962 Mini. The only advantage being my 1962 Mini had a very warm girlfriend.
The directional operative's side of the Journey delivers skin curling heat whilst the passenger side is colder than a Polar Bear's backside.
Ignore code 00X712B and code 00X73 and 77B, the problem is simple. Blend Actuator is A-OK, Air Flow is A- Compatible, Positions A-6-8-9....
All this means that if one runs the engine, turns on the heat and puts one's fingers on those black rubber hose things under the hood/bonnet, heat on one is "ouch"... heat on the other is "ouch-less"
Easy fix.... Remove the entire dashboard... watch the YT Dashboard installation videos... Robot In..... bolts in. Robot Out,.. time elapsed 90 seconds. Dealer times... Mechanic In... 90 minutes. New Heater Core 90 Seconds. Mechanic Out. 250 Minutes. Fill - Test _ Road Test - Check - Run Check - Invoice - Phone Call to Owner $2000/1500 (approx) + tax...
Materials... Amazon $85/50.

Youtubers have found a reasonable fix but if the manufactures had designed the heater core to insert and remove from the opposite side of the water pipes then a replacement would perhaps be less than an hour.

Just an example, but are "moderns" hiding dirty little secrets. ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp-zEmr-Y0M
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, there's always a subscription to the Youtube group, ''Hubnut?''
[I note ooor Rick is a subscriber, too]

Last week Hubnut tried a suggestion, to clean out a small car's cooling system, namely, a bottle of Coca-Cola.

I'm wondering whether application of specific drain cleaners might not work well too?
{There is, apparently, a difference, between 'kitchen plug 'ole cleaner', and 'bathroom plug 'ole cleaner'..................I wonder what the different ingredient is in each? Or whether it would be an easy way to clean a cooling system? Given lockouts and stuff going on at present?}

In any event, YouTube does have a lot of fixes for moderns on it...including those pre-2000?

Perhaps OCC should include all vehicles made ''last century'' now?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the Z3 we had, a 1998 2.8.

It drove well although there was no mistaking that there was a big engine up front, it had a decent amount of grunt and sounded wonderful.




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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's looking longingly at the track! Wink
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