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Bengt Axel



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Peter, its certainly similar, but given the huge number of car makers that were around at that time, not similar enough to pin it down to Mors. Plus, certain aspects of the cylinder heads do not appear to be the same, as far as I can tell from my photo.

I'm told that there are people in the SAHB who can recognise veteran chassis at 100 paces...., so here's hoping and If I get anything I will post it here.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be surprised if it is not a Mors. In my opinion everything hinges on whether or not there is a filler in the top of the shouldered radiator. Mors of this date had none.

I can't quite make out if there is something there or not.?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All,

My sister sent me this from Newfoundland, can you confirm what car this is? Fantastic isn't it !



This photo is entitled "H.D. Reid's automobile at Cabot Tower, Signal Hill, 1908."

H.D. or Harry Reid as he was known was a man of few words. He was heavily involved in the Reid family railroad business, the "Reid Newfoundland Company," of which he became President in 1917. Together with his father, Robert G. Reid, they brought the first gasoline automobiles to Newfoundland in 1903 much to the ire of other Newfoundlanders. Townsfolk complained the automobiles were noisy and would make their horses skittish.

Harry, in his later years, strived to move the Red Newfoundland Company. from the railroad business to investing in development projects like the pulp & paper mills across Newfoundland.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the Canadian Archives it is a "Locomobile" of which I know nothing.

http://archivalmoments.ca/tag/car/
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks more like a Napier to me.

Edit: The Canadian Archives reference to a Locomobile relates to Mr Reid's first car in 1903, although they also refer to it as a Thomas Flyer! This photo apparently dates from 1908, by which time Mr Reid has obviously progressed to something bigger!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK; I've checked a bit further, and I am now positive it's a 60hp Napier of 1907-08 period.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mike Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikeC wrote:
OK; I've checked a bit further, and I am now positive it's a 60hp Napier of 1907-08 period.


Thanks Mike I forwarded your text to my friend at the Archives, so they can adjust their write up.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone have any thoughts about the photos of a veteran being restored, that I added to the main site a few days ago?

https://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/veteran.htm

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Ray White



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest that it isn't Peugeot as they employed a V twin.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's an early Peugeot 1912 Légère 330cc 2 cyl.



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, Peter...what I was trying to do is answer Rick's point about the mystery photo in his photos on the main page. I am doubting that the engine he posted is a Peugeot as they used a V twin in their early cars. The first Peugeots had a Daimler narrow V twin then they went onto the type as above. My photo is of an engine from 1905.

Regarding the cars; the rear view is undoubtedly a De Dion Bouton. There are rear leaf springs (only just visible) in addition to the transverse "helper" spring Apart from the cross tube, the drive shafts are just visible.

The other veteran cars are chain drive. They are all, I believe, the same vehicle but it remains a mystery to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem Ray, I should have looked further back rather than assuming your photo was the mystery object.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The engine of the hanging car has some similarities to a 1904 Star.
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24879/lot/301/



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Ray White



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peter scott wrote:
The engine of the hanging car has some similarities to a 1904 Star.
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24879/lot/301/
Peter


It's certainly very similar...but the Star had a De Dion engine...
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