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Ford E93A Cable brakes to Hydraulic Conversion
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TonyBrooks



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:25 am    Post subject: Ford E93A Cable brakes to Hydraulic Conversion Reply with quote

Has anyone any experience of undertaking this? I know that there was a conversion kit available in the 50s but wonder if some now readily available parts are useable. I have been told that Morris Minor backplates can be used and MG T? wheel cylinders work but I am open to suggestions.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would guess that the easiest hydraulic conversion would be to use 100E parts...or have you already looked at that?
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TonyBrooks



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nevr thought of the 100E so I have just spent some time researching. Are the hubs on a 100E the same size as those of the E93A or are they 4 stud 13 inch?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 100E had two different hub sizes, if memory serves, it is a long time ago....But I dont think it matters really, have a look at this quotation:

''I bought the complete brakes and running gear from a salvaged 1958 Prefect and the bearings and other parts fit perfectly. Finally, I had good brakes. Changing to 13 inch wheels on a car which was barely capable 55 mph on 16 inch wheels was not, however, entirely satisfactory. A solution was soon at hand though; another friend had a TR3 to be scrapped and allowed me anything I wanted off it before it went to the breakers yard.. There were 5 good 15 inch wheels. The 5.60x15 tires were almost exactly the same diameter as the old 5.00x16 so the top speed was back up where it belonged and that size tire was readily available.''

Hope this helps....let me know!
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pigtin



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just spent two days recommisioning the Morris Minor brake conversion on my A7 Special. although all parts are available, they need to be, as the MM braking system does not take kindly inactivity for any length of time. Evil or Very Mad
Don.
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62rebel



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just recently completed the changeover from single line, 4 lug 13" on my Falcon to dual line, 5 lug 14" setup using Torino parts. this relatively simple task took the better part of 6 WEEKS of my off time for various reasons including a bout of cold/allergy that really took me down. one good thing about Ford is that they are literal badgers when it comes to changing standard tooling. many parts from later cars will fit early models simply because the engineers had to keep using the same basic tool to make main structures.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As mentioned on a recent thread about Ford wheels, I wonder if the hubs from a late 40s Vauxhall (also 5 stud Ford style) could be adapted? I can't remember offhand if they have hydraulic brakes all around, or just at the front, but it may be an option to look into, that way the car could retain its Pop wheels and still look in-period

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

62rebel: yes you are correct about Fords. As a good example, look at the 385 series engines. Even though they were in production for about 30 years, some parts from the first wil fit the last. Which must be some kind of record.

Interesting to read about the brake conversion you are doing, please tell us all more. At present, I'm doing a similar conversion to my 300, using parts from a 73...oh, the joys of interchangeability...

Rick: Do you mean that TR3 wheels wouldnt look period on the Ford? Laughing
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62rebel



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uncle Joe, mainly what i was trying to accomplish was to get away from the old-style "fruit jar" master cylinder and go to larger rolling stock and more brake surface area. for MOST Falcons of the 1960-65 era this can be problematic as Ford used several different sizes of suspension parts and steering gear (so much for interchangeability) but by 1966 they realized that more standardizing was in order. the MAIN suspension parts for 4- and 5-lug brakes by that time were identical; the difference lying in the brakes themselves for the most part. having access to a Hollanders' interchange computer, i identified likely sources of swap parts to obtain a full 5-lug conversion from a Ford Torino 0f 1971 vintage. going from 13" wheels to 14" visually fills the wheelwells, gives a slight advantage in mileage, a broader base of tyre, and more choices of wheels should i wish to use custom rims. the swept area of the drums is substantially larger than stock, and all the parts are still standard Ford!
IMHO; what i've done is simply to "perfect" the car from as-standard, in view of safety and comfort. the uninitiated would be hard-pressed to notice the modifications.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

62Reb: I'd like to have access to Hollanders Parts Interchange myself....you are so lucky!

Most of the reasons you give for your upgade are the same as mine for my upgrade....I think that it feels a lot safer to have discs stopping a 440 six pack than big old drums!
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62rebel



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've converted a few to get better brakes; did my wife's Valiant Signet a couple of years back (1963, used 1974 Dart parts) before it ate a differential...
i follow my Dad's philosophy; make it STOP before you make it GO.....
except for obvious vintage/veteran cars, good brakes should be easy to source and just good sense to add. originality IMHO means nothing if you have to have an ambulance/police escort wherever you go!
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