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[friendlyalien]

Here are some more pictures of what i believe to be the same Vintage Car, all pictures taken in Nantwich, Cheshire, and parked in the same spot every time...Does anyone recognise what it is, to me it looks like a Humber, but i am not sure....Anyone any ideas.

1.Picture taken between 1921 to 1925


2.Picture taken C1925 to 1930


3.Picture taken 1930 to 1935 or earlier


Can anyone recognise the Make and Model, i am sure it is the same vehicle parked in the same spot......!

[Mog]

Why do you want to know ? What is the reason ?

[PAUL BEAUMONT]

I don't think it is a Humber as I believe that their radiator sloped on both sider quite considerably.
It is slightly interesting as it carries its battery and spare wheel on the off side. I thought that most British makes had them on the near side, but I am not an expert

[Scotty]

Guys - it might be worth mentioning friendlyalien has posted three threads on this site with this question all on the same day and has had answers in the other threads as well.

Perhaps Rick you could lock the others so that there's a single line of thought going on here as this is getting confusing?

[Rick]

yes I had wondered about closing off the other separate thread, I'll go do it now

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[friendlyalien]

It seems as though one or two of you are curious as to why i need to know the identification of this vehicle, the picture along with others will be going into a book about Nantwich, and a lot of old pictures of street scenes will be a major part of this book, the identification of this Vintage Car will be part of the description along with the photograph, this vehicle appears in at least 3 photographs, so its identification is important for the book.
I suspect it is a Humber 12/25, but if anyone knows any different, then i would be pleased to recieve a reply.

[PAUL BEAUMONT]

I still feel that the rad and bonnet are wrong for a Humber. Check out http://www.orchidcars.co.uk/1925_Humber_12_25_tourer.html

[friendlyalien]

Yes i see what you mean Paul, i have seen some pictures of a Humber 12/25 Tourer with the Spare Wheel on the drivers side, the wheels looking identical, and the rear of the Hood looking identical too, but your right about the Radiator, that doesnt look the same.....

Still need to get an good identification of this vehicle for my book...

Keep trying, your help is much welcome
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[Scotty]

I think its a c1920 Arrol Johnston 15.9 Tourer.

[peter scott]

I suspect I have the same book as you Scotty (Scottish Cars, The Glasgow Museum of Transport) and the 1922 Type C certainly has a lot of features in common with the car in the photo.

Peter

Mud guards and running boards the same shape.
Chassis skirts the same.
Torpedo side lights the same.
6 nut wheel fixings the same.
Very similar bonnet shape.
Three panel windscreen probably the same.

[Scotty]

Strangely enough Peter I didn't use that book - I was involved in the Arrol Johnston Club Centenary event in 2002 where the owners over-nighted their vehicles at the museum and I was able to spend the two days endulging myself.

I had already answered this question in an earlier thread (gone now it appears), but wasn't 100% certain of the HP rating at that time as I hadn't entered it on my photographs.

These are a couple of them that helped me decide we may be looking at an AJ -




Scotty.

[peter scott]

Hi Scotty,

I'm sure you're right. I did think of the Arrol too when I first looked at the
picture and I looked up the book and dismissed it but after you suggesting it too I took another look and I think there are too many like features for it to be other than an Arrol.

Having said that, I have just had an email discussion with FriendlyAlien and sent him copies of the two Arrols in my book and he then sent me a shot
of the Humber that was his first choice. (Copyrght problem with forum postings)

Having expounded to him on the uniqueness of the wing shapes of the Arrols I had to admit that his Humber wings were pretty close too.

(but the bonnet profile and different hubs rule out the Humber. )

Peter

[Scotty]

I would agree with you Peter, unless there are clear views of key points such as radiators, wheels or firewalls I often struggle deciding on exactly what I'm looking at, especially this period.

If you consider it, cars back then on the most part all looked the same from a glance perspective. Today's issue that all modern vehicles look the same isn't really a new phenomena then, dare I say all it is is re-inventing the wheel every generation.

[friendlyalien]

Thank you Peter and Scotty for your help in trying to identify this Vehicle, and thanks for the pictures you have let me see, it is much appriciated.
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[Peter_L]

Before putting this completely to bed. What about Alvis ?

They were fond of mounting the spare wheel on the running board.

It looks in the "mystery" photos as if the vehicle has a high mascot on the radiator and also are the headlamps supported from the sides and not the bottom as in the Arrol.