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Jim.Walker
Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 1229 Location: Chesterfield
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:44 am Post subject: Brake testing |
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Anyone remember these? Given away by Practical Motorist I think in days of yore.
Jim. _________________ Quote from my late Dad:- You only need a woman and a car and you have all the problems you
are ever likely to want". Computers had not been invented then! |
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7119 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Hi Jim,
What an interesting device! Presumably you stick it on your side window. Have you ever checked it against a Tapley meter to see what Good, Average and Below Average amount to?
Peter _________________ http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk
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ukdave2002
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4105 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Yep
My dad had one, I seem to remember it was clear plastic, yours may have yellowed with age?
Dave |
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Jim.Walker
Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 1229 Location: Chesterfield
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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ukdave2002 wrote: | Yep
My dad had one, I seem to remember it was clear plastic, yours may have yellowed with age?
Dave |
You could be right Dave, though light shouldn't come into it. It has been stored in a dark drawer. I cannot remember though. It must be over 50 years in storage!
And yes Peter the instructions did say "stick on side window". No instructions on how to zero it! It has no "reset" button so maybe you need to turn the car upside down and shake it?
I suppose with a protractor and a bit of Trigonometry efficiency figures could be worked out from the photo.
I have already worked out for my own amusement that a slope of 12degrees 5minutes would give a 25% handbrake reading. I'll leave the rest to someone else.
Jim. _________________ Quote from my late Dad:- You only need a woman and a car and you have all the problems you
are ever likely to want". Computers had not been invented then! |
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7119 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Measuring with my highly accurate protractor I make:
Below Average = 0.292 g
Average = 0.485g
Good = 0.574g
Give or take the odd thousanth of a g.
Peter _________________ http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk
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Penman
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4759 Location: Swindon, Wilts.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Peter
That is interesting because using the u,v,t,s,a constant acceleration equations from school physics, the braking distance for 60mph in the HC translates to about 0.67 G and I get the same result from 30mph. _________________ Bristols should always come in pairs.
Any 2 from:-
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7119 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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I can't remember but weren't the old Tapley meter MOT limits something like 0.7g for the foot brake and 0.2g for the handbrake?
Peter _________________ http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk
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Churchill Johnson
Joined: 11 Jan 2011 Posts: 359 Location: Rayleigh Essex
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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I can remember when i was an mot tester early 1970's being told by the instructor who was testing me that the Rover 75 and suchlike could be passed on the handbrake even though they were below the 25% of most make's of car's as they were only designed to hold the car on a hill and most certainly i could never get the rear wheel's to lock up on these. |
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Jim.Walker
Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 1229 Location: Chesterfield
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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peter scott wrote: | I can't remember but weren't the old Tapley meter MOT limits something like 0.7g for the foot brake and 0.2g for the handbrake?
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We used a Churchill meter Peter, Rather more cumbersome than a Tapley Meter, The exposed pendulum carried a ball point pen which drew a line on a scaled paper which could be retained to show the customer. As well as drawing the line from zero up to whatever percentage was obtained, the line veered off centre to show if brakes were "pulling".
All the Tapley Meters I have seen were marked in percentages.
Jim. _________________ Quote from my late Dad:- You only need a woman and a car and you have all the problems you
are ever likely to want". Computers had not been invented then! |
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47Jag
Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Posts: 1480 Location: Bothwell, Scotland
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:27 am Post subject: |
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In 1961 (I think) when the first test, known as the 10 year test was announced, Practical Mechanics (edited by F J Camm......what a guy) gave the advice of using a common housebrick as a makeshift tester. You would drive the car at ??? MPH with the brick stood on end at right angle to the direction of motion and applied the handbrake. If it fell over then you had achieved the 25% retardation required. The brick would then be placed on it's side and the footbrake pressed at the same ???MPH. If it toppled then the 50% requirement was achieved. If the brick slid across the floor also then you had a pull I made the last bit up.
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7119 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Interesting test Art.
F.J. and his brother Sydney were both amazing guys.
I've never done it with a brick but did try it with a car battery once. It made a right mess on the carpet though!
Peter _________________ http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk
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52classic
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 493 Location: Cardiff.
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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What a lovely item! Never seen one before.
My own favourute brake tester (which was actually endorsed by Hot Car, back in the day) was the humble house brick.......
Place in the passenger footwell, on its side with the frog facing direction of travel. Application of the footbrake should tip the brick.
Stood as a soldier course with the frog toward the driver and the handbrake should tip the brick. |
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V8 Nutter
Joined: 27 Aug 2012 Posts: 587
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Back in the 60's I spent about 8 hours setting up the brakes on a '37 Ford V8, cable operated Bendix. It scored 90% effeciency on a Tapley meter, the tester couldn't believe it, he got his back up meter, same result. The only trouble was, they needed setting up again a few weeks later |
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Jim.Walker
Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 1229 Location: Chesterfield
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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V8 Nutter wrote: | Back in the 60's I spent about 8 hours setting up the brakes on a '37 Ford V8, cable operated Bendix. It scored 90% effeciency on a Tapley meter, the tester couldn't believe it, he got his back up meter, same result. The only trouble was, they needed setting up again a few weeks later |
Those Bendix brakes had twin leading shoes all round, About the best stopping brakes around, but useless going backwards and likely to run away backwards if stopped facing up a steep hill.
Jim. _________________ Quote from my late Dad:- You only need a woman and a car and you have all the problems you
are ever likely to want". Computers had not been invented then! |
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roverdriver
Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Posts: 1210 Location: 100 miles from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:25 am Post subject: |
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In the late 1950's, in the newsletter of the Veteran Car Club of Australia, there was a clever article about using a house brick as a decelerometer. It gave values braking efficiency if the deceleration caused an upright brick to fall over, if the 3" side was facing the direction of travel, then when the 4½" side facing. Next a brick lying on its side (3") and then a brick lying on its flat face (4½"). I doubt if any Veteran cars would manage to tip a brick that was in the latter position. Must see if I can find that article. _________________ Dane- roverdriver but not a Viking. |
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