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Commer racing car transporter (1950)
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the Allard Owners Club, The Sphinx had a standard Allard JR chassis but a 3.4 litre Armstrong Siddeley Saphire engine.




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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikeC wrote:
Rick,

I had missed this story first time round - what a fascinating find!

You mention the car that the Commer used to carry as the Sphinx Allard - are you sure? That looks like the Tommy Sopwith / Equipe Endeavour Sphinx, but that was Armstrong Siddeley based.


Yes, the car was built for Sopwith (he was involved with A-S at the time) using, as Ray points out, an experimental engine that when the car was sold, returned to the factory.

Its next owner fitted a Jaguar engine in its place (possibly C-Type, or at least to similar spec). He bought the Commer to use it for carrying the Sphinx Allard to meetings throughout the 1960s. Prior to him buying the lorry, it was used by a chap to carry a Lola. On occasion it also transported a borrowed C-Type. I found a few odd Jaguar gaskets inside it when it arrived here.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah! I didn't know about the Allard chassis - it was never referred to as Sphinx-Allard in the day, just Sphinx.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you got a pot of gold to spare, Rick?

The Sphinx is being auctioned by Dragone on 4th June:

http://www.dragoneauctions.com/#!blank-4/h4q3g
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, good to see it, it's been out of sight for years. Hopefully it'll go to someone that will actually use it and drive it as intended. I wonder if that's the original colour?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:40 pm    Post subject: Zenith/Stromberg carburettor 42DBVA / DBVA-42 Reply with quote

Zenith/Stromberg carburettor 42DBVA/DBVA-42

I notice that the Commer has the above carb on it, rather than the original Solex (due to it now having an OHV rather than the SV engine it was originally fitted with). This appears to tally with the type fitted to contemporary Humber Super Snipe, Pullman, and Imperial models.

My manual only covers the SV models and the Solex. Does anyone have any service notes on the Zenith carb, as I'd like to strip mine and check that it's all nice and clean inside? I've been having a tinker with the old truck and would like to get it to run.

thanks RJ
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

News from Brian Croot's daughter is that the Sphinx did sell either at, or after, the auction that MikeC mentioned, and is back in the UK for the first time in many years. Its owner is doing the work required to put it back into race-worthy condition, and I'm hoping to hear from him at some point.

There was much excitement here today when the original purchase papers for the Commer, dated May 1963, turned up from the Croot household. They confirm the supplying dealer (Tice & Son), and a few other details including the date of purchase etc etc. Scans will be added to the main site soon.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scans of the documents describing the purchase of the Commer in '63, have been added to the main site .. http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/commer-paperwork.htm.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to see that the Tice building still exists, on Wimborne Road and is still in part a service garage although parts have been converted to shops.

Moderne Mansions
Moderne Mansions, 723 Wimborne Rd, Bournemouth BH9 2AY

https://goo.gl/maps/pggMGCnRv6t

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Peter
did you notice the other deco building in the next block south?
Looks like it was probably a cinema originally and very nicely preserved.
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