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poodge
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 687
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:49 am Post subject: |
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I have always loved the revving ability of the rotary engine.It's a great pity NSU never got the chance to develop it properly,as Mazda did.
The RO80 was a fantastic car when it ran! |
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baconsdozen
Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 1119 Location: Under the car.
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:00 am Post subject: |
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In a weird way I rate the Ford Essex V4 as a great engine. They idle roughly and vibrate and have a habit of destroying the fibre timing gear. But the short length of the V4 made possible the MK1 transit van with a short nose and yet no great bulge inside the cab to house the engine. The van and its design went on to become one of the best known vehicles on the roads and was a true trend setter. I remember driving a new MK1 twin wheeler at 80mph down a motorway a performance that at the time seemed startling especially considering it was bigger than any other van on the road. _________________ Thirty years selling imperial hand tools for old machinery(Now happily retired). |
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mikeC
Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1776 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Let me suggest a real left-field candidate, so left-field it's probably in another stadium!
How about the post-war Panhard 2-cylinder engine? In its ultimate Tigre form it managed to produce over 50 bhp from 850cc to give 100mph performance and 40 mpg, but even the original 1947 600cc produced something like 35 bhp at 6000 rpm and made the VW and BMC engines look pretty weedy. The bottom end was all roller bearings (mains and big ends) with special races with smaller rollers between the main rollers to reduce wear.
After the Citroen takeover politics, and perhaps production costs, killed it: wouldn't the 2CV have been something else with one of those engines? |
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7122 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I'd like to add my vote for the Panhard.
Peter _________________ http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk
1939 SS Jaguar 2 1/2 litre saloon |
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ka
Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 600 Location: Orkney.
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Throughout this subject, we have used different names to describe the engine derivatives fitted to various vehicles. The early Ford engines known as the E93a, then the 100e, I am not aware of a number or name for the Pre-crossflow, the full crossflow engine was known as the 'Kent' engine, (was this the 105?) the V configuration the "Essex', the OHC the 'Pinto'. Is this just as simple as the engine development numbers, even diffs and rear axles were known as 'Essex', and 'Atlas', anyone know the history behind these names/numbers, and did other manufacturers use this or similar system? _________________ KA
Better three than four. |
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7122 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Were the designations such as 105E referencing an engine or was this rather a car build number?
I think 105E refers to the 997cc Harry Potter Anglia but is 107E not the reference to the final Prefect (100E shape) fitted with the 997cc engine?
Peter _________________ http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk
1939 SS Jaguar 2 1/2 litre saloon |
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JohnDale
Joined: 19 Mar 2008 Posts: 790 Location: Kelvin Valley,Scotland
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:58 am Post subject: |
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peter scott wrote: | Were the designations such as 105E referencing an engine or was this rather a car build number?
I think 105E refers to the 997cc Harry Potter Anglia but is 107E not the reference to the final Prefect (100E shape) fitted with the 997cc engine?
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Yes Peter, 107E was 100E with the 105E engine,gearbox & rear axle.
100E,105E, & 107E are model designations rather than engines alone.Later we had 109E,116E & so on,all of which covered various engine sizes. Cheers,JD. _________________ 1958 Ford Zephyr Mk2 Convertible
1976 Ford Granada Ghia. |
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Keith D
Joined: 16 Oct 2008 Posts: 1130 Location: Upper Swan, Western Australia
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:06 am Post subject: |
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The Ford numbers did apply to the models rather than the engines, but it becomes confusing when the Anglia, Prefect and later Popular all were designated 100E
Keith |
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BigJohn
Joined: 01 Jan 2011 Posts: 954 Location: Wem, Shropshire
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose what range the engine is classified in, the little Honda 50 mobilised Asia, and the Villiers powered every thing from motor bikes to rotovators over here. Then there is the Coventry Climax, generators to race cars and small family saloon. |
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Penman
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4765 Location: Swindon, Wilts.
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
BigJohn wrote: | I suppose what range the engine is classified in, the little Honda 50 mobilised Asia, and the Villiers powered every thing from motor bikes to rotovators over here. Then there is the Coventry Climax, generators to race cars and small family saloon. |
Interesting that you mention the Villiers, as far as 250 twins go I always rated the Ariel engine over the Villiers, though the unversally available Villiers meant, as you said that it was used lots of things, many of the earlier Karts used them as well. _________________ Bristols should always come in pairs.
Any 2 from:-
Straight 6
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Ashley
Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 1426 Location: Near Stroud, Glos
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Penman wrote: | Hi
BigJohn wrote: | I suppose what range the engine is classified in, the little Honda 50 mobilised Asia, and the Villiers powered every thing from motor bikes to rotovators over here. Then there is the Coventry Climax, generators to race cars and small family saloon. |
Interesting that you mention the Villiers, as far as 250 twins go I always rated the Ariel engine over the Villiers, though the unversally available Villiers meant, as you said that it was used lots of things, many of the earlier Karts used them as well. |
Me too, I had both and the 2T was not as reliable. It handled funny, but I liked the Ariel Arrow. A friend did 48,000 on one. |
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stevel98
Joined: 04 Apr 2014 Posts: 74
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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The (nearly) STOCK 350cu in L98 mouse motor in my '87 Corvette for the win!
245horses, 345torks, 0-60 in 5secs, 13.5sec 1/4mile, uses no oil, smooth, no leaks or rattles, sounds awesome with its straight pipes, a doddle to work on, ..and 30+mpg for the long holiday trips..
Nothing like a Scottish Highland road trip behind a healthy V8, or a long 500mile run down to Goodwood, or cruising the Lake district, etc, etc...
..failing that, the 791cc, twincam, drysump, four carbed, Honda S800 I drove back in '72-'75.. The current McLaren F1 cars have, I'm sure, copied the exhaust note of this wee beast! |
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scott_budds
Joined: 20 Nov 2008 Posts: 175 Location: Norwich
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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A series is a great little unit and versatile.
Rover V8 overrated and underpowered.
Coventry climax is another great little engine that was better than it ever should really have been.
Buddsy _________________ Im looking for an Elan plus 2 for my next resto project...if you see one think of me please!! |
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Da Tow'd
Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 349 Location: Bella Coma British Columbia Canada
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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the engine that I admire the most due to all the years that I've been pulling wrenches on them has to be the Volvo B series 4 cylinder.
solid and reliable
second in my book would be the VW TDi diesel
I sure like the sound of a wound out Porsche flat 6
cheers
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Ray White
Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 6337 Location: Derby
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Might I speak up for the Austin Seven engine? By today's standards, quite inadequate but introduced in 1922 it brought motoring to the masses. It became known as the mighty atom.
A four cylinder side valve of 747cc, with a bore of just 2.2" this most unlikely unit powered hundreds of thousands of little cars and lent itself to tuning for thousands of specials and took numerous records at Brooklands.
To me, what is remarkable about this 2 (later 3) bearing engine is that it seems to do the impossible. It would be a mistake to compare it with other, more powerful engines, and it wasn't the best performer compared with some other engines in it's class but it did what was asked of it. |
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