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Painting galvanised steel.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:59 pm    Post subject: Painting galvanised steel. Reply with quote

Has anyone here ever painted galvanised steel? And if so does it take well or do you need special prep?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

O-N, you will need to use special paints and primers for galvinised metal.
Personally I have found the paint does not adhere to the metal very well and it flakes off after a while
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you.

My chassis is galvanised steel so I was wondering whether to paint it or not, I suppose rather than incur the extra expense I should leave it alone and paint just the suspension parts etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theres a for me interesting thing here. If the people that galvanized your chassis in the first place had been bright enough, then they would have painted the chassis as soon as they could after treatment.

What happens later is that an oxide forms on the surface, making it difficult to paint. Paint will stick to a galvanized surface, but not to the oxide.

Some will tell you that you can wait until the surface has weathered, and then it will be possible. It would be, if we lived in a world that didnt have airborne pollutants.

The correct method to paint would simply be remove the oxide, then use a latex (water based!) paint....it is possible.

So to all intents and purpose, 47P2 is spot on....
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when I was talking to the paint guy about the Dodge a few weeks back, I asked him a similar question - the new sheeting I have for the back is Zintec, ie a zinc-coated steel similar to galvanised, and yes that too needs to be pre-treated before painting, otherwise the paint will flake off too.

If you want me to ask him about pre-treating a galv chassis, just let me know

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You only need to ask me Rick!

Galvanised surfaces are blasted in a specific way with crystaline iron titanium oxide, with a grain size of max 0,4mm. Doesnt everyone know that? Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finnigans (the hammerite people) supply a special water based primer paint to cover galvanised before you paint with hammerite
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny thing is, I welded up some galvanized pipe this morning for a chimney....and thats going to need painting! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uncle Joe wrote:
You only need to ask me Rick!

Galvanised surfaces are blasted in a specific way with crystaline iron titanium oxide, with a grain size of max 0,4mm. Doesnt everyone know that? Laughing Laughing Laughing


Of course UJ....we all knew this Shocked Wink

Just it had slipped to the back of my memory and I'm so glad you reminded me Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hammerite solution sounds good - I'll do some investigating!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume the paint that Greeney is referring to is the one they call Special Metals Primer. The question the question that should be asked is, can this be coated with anything, not just Hammerite?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it is just a Special barrier primer paint, I have used it for all sorts of paints and they are still stable
We was talking 2k paints yesterday, 2k etch or wash primers are good too
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgot to mention too if you really want to got he whole hog so to speak powdercoating is the best method to cover galvanised steel it will last for years
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I envisage one day finding the classic of my dreams, having a large heated workshop and very deep pockets, then I would... *POP*!.....my fantasy Is interrupted and I realise that I don't have any of those things....and Hammerite it is then! Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats what we all envisage O-N, not just you!

Back to the topic, on the little job that I will be doing, irrespective of the type of paint I use, I still think that I will do a sweep blast of the surface. Better to be safe than sorry! Though I will admit, in this particular case, it doesnt matter much if it flakes....
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