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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:10 am    Post subject: Home Made Rust Converter Reply with quote

I think it has been mentioned on the forum before that a molasses concoction will produce a good rust converter, thought I would give it a try, here are the results;
I was a bit lazy in getting hold of some molasses, popped down to Sainsbury’s and bought a 454g tin of “Lyles black treacle” ! Should have gone to a farm shop where molasses is sold as animal feed additive for a fraction of the cost, that said the treacle was only a couple of quid.

I diluted the tin of treacle in a bowl of warm water 8 times the volume of the treacle, the warm water lets the treacle flow. The first candidates were 10 Morris 8 brake slave cylinders which I left in for about a week and was amazed at the results, unfortunately I didn’t take any pic’s.

2nd job was a Morris timing chain sprocket, which is NOS but been badly stored, and a old Morris master cylinder cap, the master cylinder on the Morris is mounted underneath the car so very exposed , here are the before pics;



And after about a week;




I don’t know what the best method is for speeding up the process, the rust seems to turn to a very flaky black substance, which I would brush off every couple of days and then put the things back in to the solution.

I’m pleased with the results, very cheap and environmentally friendly into the bargain Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UK, I am amazed! I had thought that this was just another old wives tale. How wrong I was!

I will admit though, when you live in a country that doesnt have treacle on sale, there are better uses for the odd can that one can get hold of! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing results. I am impressed.

Did you dip the items or coat them?
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great experiment UK thanks for posting. How did you come up with the 8:1 ratio? I wonder if other ratios might be the key to faster results?
Whatever it's better than paying £6 a bottle for that Hammerite green gloop.
I should keep the garage doors closed in summer though! Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was sceptical about it working,!! did a bit of research and found it did have scientific backup, although I didn’t understand the chemistry Confused it’s called a Chelating process well documented.

47p2 wrote:
Amazing results. I am impressed.

Did you dip the items or coat them?

The parts were dipped in the solution; the solution I made was very watery so coating was not an option.
Old-Nail wrote:
Great experiment UK thanks for posting. How did you come up with the 8:1 ratio? I wonder if other ratios might be the key to faster results?
Whatever it's better than paying £6 a bottle for that Hammerite green gloop.
I should keep the garage doors closed in summer though! Laughing Laughing


I read an article about someone making the solution up, the molasses he had could be poured, and he used a 6:1 ratio, I used 8:1 on the assumption that the treacle I had was thicker and therefore more concentrated? I don’t know how critical it is and if you could speed things up with a more concentrated solution.
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand heating the solution and simmering while object is immersed is the quicker method what would normally take 2/3day will take 2/3hours
Good test though
I think I have said before I have used cocacola many times and I know of a company that uses a sugar beet solution too Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweet job, Dave! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

very interesting, might have to give that one a whirl Smile

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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I did do this with some tools a while back, and it works, but I never took before pics, it does really show how much of a difference ther is!

I was telling UK this morning, I had probably 25 gallon of this molases, but couldn't find space to store it, was fed up of knocking buckets of the stuff over as it is sticky stuff, so poured it on the garden, now the soil is ultra fertile!

Cheers

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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a lidded dustbin in the corner of the barn with my solution in it, easy just to chuck in the odd item Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greeney in France wrote:
I have a lidded dustbin in the corner of the barn with my solution in it, easy just to chuck in the odd item Rolling Eyes

I've just been to Tesco and bought two gallons of CocaCola so I'm going to do the overnight coke test.
Here are the unsuspecting demisting vents in a 'before' shot.



Unfortunately I have nothing shallow enough to completely cover them so they will have to be turned around in the bucket in the morning and the uncovered side done.
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I completely freed up a seized door hinge with coca cola left it 3days
I hope it is quality cola? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now you didn't put stipulations on it Shocked Tesco cola at 20p per two litre bottle, I think at that price it must only be fit for de-rusting! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Normally gut derusting Embarassed Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have visions of the finished car being chased up the road by a swarm of wasps! Rolling Eyes
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