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Nic Jarman
Joined: 05 Oct 2008 Posts: 1031 Location: Stoke by Clare, Suffolk
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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I am going to use UNF bolts on the Morris. Some how I do not think I will burn in the Eternal Pit of Damnation.......................Or will I? _________________ 1936 Morris 8 Series 1
1973 MGB roadster
1977 MG Midget 1500
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peter scott
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 7118 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Nic,
If you're not sticking with original why not use metric? Are some of engine threads not metric anyway? (It was just that the bolts/nuts had imperial heads. Or was that just an MG foible?)
Peter _________________ http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk
1939 SS Jaguar 2 1/2 litre saloon |
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pigtin
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 1879 Location: Herne Bay
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Rick wrote: | But back to originality, what grates with me is inappropriate parts fitted to oldies, where it is possible to source correct period (or period-looking) items with just a bit more effort. I was looking at a 50s MG sports the other week, very nice car, but it had rear lamps from a trailer board fitted on the back. Looked terrible. If larger lights were really needed, couldn't something a little more in-keeping be found quite easily? Earlier this year I followed a 50s Bentley on wedding duty which had Jag Mk10 rear lamps screwed to the back wings, ugh. Modern flashing indicators, usually off a Jap motorbike or similar, are another bugbear
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Ooops! Did you say something about indicators off a Jap Motorcycle?
_________________ Due to the onset of my mid eighties I'm no longer sprightly and rarely seen in my Austin special. I have written a book though. https://amzn.eu/d/7rwRRqL |
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Rick Site Admin
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 22447 Location: UK
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Brian M
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 783 Location: Leigh-on-Sea, Essex
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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badhuis wrote: | Brian M wrote: | and this winter I am going to fit electric power assisted steering, |
Interesting to see someone else getting an EPS fitted.
Are you planning to do that yourselves? Or getting a company to do it? Do you mind telling what company?
At the moment I am in the process of EPS-ing a Wolseley 6/110. The components come from a 2003 Corsa. |
The story behind my desire to fit EPS is interesting. At this years International Classic caravan meeting I met up with a Dutch member of my Safari Caravan group who also tows with an Amazon. He showed me a Dutch car magazine article where a Belgian guy had fitted EPS to his Amazon. The following morning he was hammering on my door shouting "it's here it's here". Yes the actual Amazon in the magazine had arrived at the campsite! We both had a spin around the campsite in the PAS equipped Amazon and both decided we would do it to ours. Using a finger to go from lock to lock will make my Amazon even more perfect! Especially when towing.
The best bit is that the Dutch guy has an engineering business and so can put the necessary splines on the steering column to mate with the Corsa electronic steering box. He has full CNC equipment and so having done one, can replicate on another steering column. So I am hunting for a spare column that I can send to him for modification fit it to my car, and then can send my column over for modification and sell to someone else, or I may keep the original in case someone wants to put it back to original and save his Gym fees for an upper body and arm workout!
Corsa units seem to be going for £100-150, spare column for £50 or so, variable assistance adjustment can be added for just £38. I have seen the conversion offered at £1800! _________________ Brian
1970 Volvo Amazon and 1978 Safari 15-4 Caravan
Classic Safari Forum: www.classicsafaris.co.uk |
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Phil - Nottingham
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1252 Location: Nottingham
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Remeber it is a notifiable mod for insurance purposes and soem underwriter want an independent engineers report for DIY jobs and even seem garage fitted ones.
Have fitted hydraulic power steering to my Rover P4 100 though for 10 years and it is great. Electric would have been much easier I assume _________________ Rover P2
Rover P4
Rover P5 & P5B
Land Rover S2 & S3
Morris Mini Traveller Mk2 |
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Penman
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4756 Location: Swindon, Wilts.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Hi
Just a bit of info about Corsa EPS.
Driving school cars have had trouble with them stopping working while training learners on TIR.
If they then did a bit of normal driving for a short while the EPS would then start to work again.
It would appear that the motor was overheating.
There is a heavier duty EPS available which Vauxhall started fitting to school cars if the proposed usage was known when the car was ordered.
It might be as well to get the heavier duty model if fitting to a heavier car.
It reminds me of the Mk1 Escort 1100s to which we fitted 1300 clutches because they lasted longer. _________________ Bristols should always come in pairs.
Any 2 from:-
Straight 6
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Brian M
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 783 Location: Leigh-on-Sea, Essex
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info Penman.
Can you advise which years of Corsa your comment applies to.
I have been recommended to get a Corsa "B" EPS unit, fitted from 93-2000. _________________ Brian
1970 Volvo Amazon and 1978 Safari 15-4 Caravan
Classic Safari Forum: www.classicsafaris.co.uk |
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Nic Jarman
Joined: 05 Oct 2008 Posts: 1031 Location: Stoke by Clare, Suffolk
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Brian, The engine has nuts that are imperial spanner size but metric threads. This is because the engine was a French design but Morris did not want to force all the garages to buy a set of metric spanners. I will stick to imperial nuts and bolts so I don't have to buy a set of metric spanners. _________________ 1936 Morris 8 Series 1
1973 MGB roadster
1977 MG Midget 1500
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Penman
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4756 Location: Swindon, Wilts.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Brian
This seems to have been reported from around 2003/2004, so perhaps they changed the set-up around then. _________________ Bristols should always come in pairs.
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Straight 6
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danielr
Joined: 27 Jun 2009 Posts: 17 Location: Oxford UK
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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I think that it's up to the individual owner, but I think that the level of non-standard, non-period etc parts that you can get away with have a lot to do with the car.
for example, I think that morris minors fit quite happily into the classic car bracket, but there are so many of them about on the road that I don't think that anyone will fret if you stick whatever you want onto it.
on the other hand, if you have a one of a kind rare vintage classic, I'd believe that you're better to source original parts rather than a kind of good match modern part...
hidden parts are a bit different,
I mean perhaps I'm just a philistine, or just don't get it.
why put up with dim 6v filament lights, when you could fit super bright LED lights, -surely these are safer as well?
they'll be hidden underneath a lens anyway, so you won't be able to tell that they are there.
and power steering, makes the car easier to drive,
better brakes makes a car easier to stop...
if you want a daily driver then why not?
same as for paint,
if you like a colour, then I think paint the car in that colour, don't worry if it's the period/shade of the original, or the same make, same formula etc.
but like I said, if you want to restore 100% original as a museum piece, or you're restoring a rare classic, then you're probably better trying to keep the car as original as possible. |
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badhuis
Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 1390 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Well, we finished fitting the EPS to the Wolseley.
It's excellent! The motor just fits under the dashboard, you can only see it when viewed from the floor.
Now it is possible (with one finger) to get the wheels turning when standing still, this was almost impossible before the conversion even using both hands.
My friend now has decided they will sell their modern car and use the Wolseley full time again. They stopped doing that some years ago when the wife hated the steering in car parks etc.
We spend about 30 hours in total.
BTW - the unit came from a Corsa 2003. Total material costs about 200 pounds. |
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P3steve
Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 542 Location: Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Some how I cant feel that were missing the point with all this, dont we have these old cars because there so differant from modern cars isnt that half the fun of it driving in a style that these cars were designed for! If you keep bolting on bit after bit to make the car more "useable" dosnt that take away the original character of the vehicle if you want a car that steers like a modern car, brakes like a modern car and has the engine and gearbox like a modern car then there is only one awnser get down your local dealer and trade in your old car on this scrappage sceme and get yourself a nice new euro box to drive instead.
On my 1949 Rover P3 I have to double de clutch on the lower gears, in first it has that typical straight cut gear wine (and a wonderful sound it is) The low back axle ratio means that she "runs out of steam" at about 75 mph but why whould I want to drive that fast anyway, when braking you do have to think ahead a bit though the brakes are better than you would think and will pull up quick with a good push. When steering my wife and me joke about being at the helm of the Queen Mary but at anything but very slow turning the big steering wheel makes it very acceptable for normal use and the indicators - the previous owner fitted flashing indicators (fitted into the reverse light housing at the rear and fitted into the side light housing at the front so from the out side thay cant be seen) but the semaphores are in good working order and when putting a signal on we work to the laughter theory if I see the person in the vehicle laugh and nudge his companions and point to the semaphore I know he's seen them if not a hand signal with then be given only once in a blue moon do I then resort to the flashing indicators (This method hasnt let me down yet) I enjoy the period driving experiance and all the querks that come with it that's why I have it and what make the car so much fun and wouldnt have it any other way, long live originality |
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Nic Jarman
Joined: 05 Oct 2008 Posts: 1031 Location: Stoke by Clare, Suffolk
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:30 am Post subject: |
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I would like to drive my Morris 8 all year round but it does not have a heater and I do not want to have it on the road when the salt goes down. _________________ 1936 Morris 8 Series 1
1973 MGB roadster
1977 MG Midget 1500
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gillberry
Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Posts: 702 Location: Norwich
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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The whole point of owning and using a classic is to have something different but it is nice to have some of the creature comforts that we are used to in this modern age . Having said that discreet alterations always look better . And as for originality where do you draw the line the only original cars are the ones that came off the production lines and have not been touched since . I must admit though our amazon drives more like a modern car and has a very good heater so we have a classic to use and enjoy without modifications , we don't count the larger su carb and uprated cam as they are the sort of mods that would have been carried out before she was a classic anyway . |
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