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wesser · Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 7

I have a "sit up n beg" 103E Ford Pop, I have bought a new king pin kit.
I assumed that I would need to ream the bushes but it seems you broach them because they are split.
Does anyone know anyone who does this? Or can anyone lend me the Ford A/CY-3109 kit?

Cheers. Tim.

Jim.Walker · Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 1229 Location: Chesterfield

Ford Pop (E93A models and similar Fords) used to require King Pin attention quite regularly. Often the result of MOT failure.
I must admit we used to ream them and we never had any (premature) comebacks.
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wesser · Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 7

Nice one Jim, I don't suppose you still have your reamer do you? Or remember the size please.

Cheers. Tim

Roger-hatchy · Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2135 Location: Tiptree, Essex

A Neighbour has a Ford Pop that he renovated from a breaker rescue

I'll ask him if he still has the reamer, or knows the size.

Won't see him till tomorrow, Sat 6.

PM me what county your in.

I'd get him to come on site, but most of the people I know are not into computers

Roger

wesser · Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 7

Thanks for your help Roger - PM Sent mate.

Cheers. Tim

Jim.Walker · Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 1229 Location: Chesterfield

ukdave2002 · Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4107 Location: South Cheshire

Tim

Kingpin reamers are usually an odd size.... on the morris 8 a new kingpin is an accurately ground 5/8" (0.6250") the puka Morris kingpin reamers are 0.6275", I found an original Morris one on eBay got it for a song! however when I measured it I found it had had a hard life it was just 0.6255, so worn and too small to be of any use!!

So as Jim has suggested an adjustable reamer with a pilot was in order. If you use an adjustable reamer they do tend to chatter especially if the nuts that tighten the blades are not tight.

By the way a great lubricant for cutting is paraffin wax , pack the blades with it before you start to cut, make the job easier and gives a better finish.

Dave

wesser · Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 7

Thanks for the advise chaps, So when the bloke said "You just need new king pins" I should of known it was obviously a lot easier said than done!!

Cheers. Tim.

baconsdozen · Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 1119 Location: Under the car.

The original Ford Mk1 transit workshop manuals said the king pin bushes had to be broached.later ones for the Mk2 (identical assemblies) said that an adjustable reamer (set to the figures quoted in the manual) could be used.I found a very thin oil and plenty of it helped no end.
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Roger-hatchy · Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2135 Location: Tiptree, Essex

Tim
Have had a word from my neighbour

He has had a look through his tech. books

It seems, as long as they are the right pins, that they are not reamed.
The king pin is a 'press fit' and then the bushes are a 'Tight' fit

He has offered to have the pages copied if you require.

I can do that here and post them on my photobucket then here for you if you so wish.

I will be seeing him again tomorrow and thursday night, preparing the bodywork for respray on Friday and Saturday

Roger

Jim.Walker · Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 1229 Location: Chesterfield

That would be interesting. It goes against all normal engineering practice and lubrication requrements.
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Roger-hatchy · Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2135 Location: Tiptree, Essex

My thought too
But that is what is in the book, or so he says

He has restored a lot of spares for his car, I think he has a complete car minus bodywork, he is working on another, fourth I think, E93a engine

I'll ask him for the book, scan and post the pages

I used to do a lot of Kingpins when working for VW at the Wood.
If I get a call to collect my paint tomorrow I might pop in and see the gentleman who did my Standard 9 king pins.
He is a profesional vintage car restorer, be interesting to hear his view.
Last time I called in he was restoring a pre war Aston Martin Lagonda.
I believe he is on a Light 15 at the moment.

Roger

baconsdozen · Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 1119 Location: Under the car.

I cant see how that is correct.There are too many dimensions that can vary to end up with a satisfactory clearance every time.
There has to be a couple of thou clearance to allow grease to flow through but any more and the king pin will be sloppy and wear rapidly.I can't see that you hope to arrive at such an accurate fit by pure chance.
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wesser · Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 7

Roger-hatchy · Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2135 Location: Tiptree, Essex

Finally, or at long last Very Happy

These I hope are the pages, well the only ones we could find.
These are from a Workshop Manual from Ford
This was printed in 1956 and titled

PAGE 113

PAGE 114

PAGE 120

Hope this helps

As you will notice no mention of reamers BUT what dose "Broach" refer to is that an earlier term for reamer.

Rob said to me "it's all common sense when you take it apart then reassemble"
That might be the case for someone who is in the motor trade, all be it building lorries and trailers.

Some of us need all the help we can get Laughing