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BigJohn



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Write my own pace notes from a map and internet street map, then clip on dash, swmbo usually navigates from them for me. I have a satnav in the boot but to be honest I find them a pita. I'm just a Luddite I suppose. Laughing
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Jim.Walker



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gillberry wrote:
......... So far we have had no errors with the satnav although when going somewhere we have never been before if the satnav takes us a longer route how would we know ?


Almost without fail, people who have used a satnav of ANY make to get to my house from the M1 are directed via Chesterfield town centre over two extremely busy roundabouts,plus traffic lights.
There is a much simpler, safer and quicker way, mostly on two A roads with minimal traffic and much quicker.
It seems from what I am tild that setting "nearest" or "quickest" has no effect.
My own, rarely used Tomtom does the same and also drives me mad by telling me to "turn round" on local roads when I know a better route. Consequently it is only ever switched on when I am in totally virgin territory.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim.Walker wrote:
gillberry wrote:
......... So far we have had no errors with the satnav although when going somewhere we have never been before if the satnav takes us a longer route how would we know ?


Almost without fail, people who have used a satnav of ANY make to get to my house from the M1 are directed via Chesterfield town centre over two extremely busy roundabouts
Jim.


I wonder if their sat navs say " look for the crooked tower" part of directions I got the last time I went to chesterfield Smile

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Jim.Walker



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The instructions were faulty Dave!
The tower is not crooked. It is the SPIRE which sits atop it that is crooked Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim, you are right , it was the spire not tower! I do remember a busy roundabout with a B&Q on one side and McDonalds on the other, couldn't figure out what lane I should be in !

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Jim.Walker



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:
Jim, you are right , it was the spire not tower! I do remember a busy roundabout with a B&Q on one side and McDonalds on the other, couldn't figure out what lane I should be in !

Dave


That is the unnecesary way the satnavs bring everyon from the M1 to my house. About 6 miles that way including that roundabout. And 4 miles the sensible way with just two sets of traffic lights.
Mind you the crooked spire is not seen my way!
A sobering thought - a woman could not decide on which lane (locals have trouble too!). A lorry turned off that roundabout heading North on the A61, crushed her car and killed her!
I will use any way I can to avoid it!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim.Walker wrote:
ukdave2002 wrote:
Jim, you are right , it was the spire not tower! I do remember a busy roundabout with a B&Q on one side and McDonalds on the other, couldn't figure out what lane I should be in !

Dave


That is the unnecesary way the satnavs bring everyone from the M1 to my house. About 6 miles that way including that roundabout. And 4 miles the sensible way with just two sets of traffic lights.
Mind you the crooked spire is not seen on my route!
A sobering thought - a woman could not decide on which lane (locals have trouble too!). A lorry turned off that roundabout heading North on the A61, crushed her car and killed her!
I will use any way I can to avoid it!
Jim.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim.Walker wrote:
ukdave2002 wrote:
Jim, you are right , it was the spire not tower! I do remember a busy roundabout with a B&Q on one side and McDonalds on the other, couldn't figure out what lane I should be in !

Dave


That is the unnecesary way the satnavs bring everyon from the M1 to my house. About 6 miles that way including that roundabout. And 4 miles the sensible way with just two sets of traffic lights.
Mind you the crooked spire is not seen my way!
A sobering thought - a woman could not decide on which lane (locals have trouble too!). A lorry turned off that roundabout heading North on the A61, crushed her car and killed her!
I will use any way I can to avoid it!
Jim.


Jim, that's possibly because the the shortest route hasn't been requested. From Jn 29 it's 5.6 miles, from Jn 29a it's 4.5. As most people will ask their satnav for the fastest route, that also applies to the part of the journey to or from the motorway. You can't blame the satnav for that.
It'll also depend on whether your visitors are approaching from the north or south on the M1 and how far they've come in terms of calculating overall time and distance.
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Jim.Walker



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was deliberately not being very specific about M1 junctions, though my examples were from J29. Nor was I quoting definitive mileages, but since I live almost exactly one mile from Chesterfield towards the M1 the A623 and then A617 route just has to be 2 miles less.
As for quicker - Horns Bridge and Markham Road roundabouts cannot be quicker. As you must know, being local.
NOTHING (repeat NOTHING) would induce me to take the satnav route to J29 from my house. It being unarguably neither nearer nor quicker.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was hoping to avoid buying a sat-nav,but after our TM at work changed my route on occasion,i bought a Garmin off my daughter's b.f. for £40..wouldn't be without it now as it's no fun looking for places in a strange town centre in a 44 tonner.also comes in usefull now as my Citreon's speedo has packed up Crying or Very sad
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Phil - Nottingham



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had my TomTom XL for 4 years now and find it very useful although it has made me lazy and more dependent on it.
I have a good sense of direction and map reading and could navigate confidently all over the place using maps.

I always review the route suggested to see if it makes sense and often override it if it does not

However I do find it useful in strange cities where signage is often poor and traffic too fast/heavy to try to read signs/maps etc and get into the correct lane.

I also find the time/distance/speed features useful.

I think the maps are too expensive to update it and perhaps after next year might replace it as its becoming more and more out of date and the batteries are failing. The first TomTom I had lasted 1 month as it fell off the screen and landed on the gear-lever and smashed the screen. This was not covered under the guarantee and repair and postage and delay made it not worth repairing.

I would not be without one these days and use it all our our classics - the 2 with +ve earth systems I have fitted a reverse wired trailing cig-lighter socket tucked under the dash when not in use and for the Land Rovers this has 2 plugs to use the dash inspection light sockets
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

had a spare hour last night so i was perusing various satnav makers websites.
whilst on the tom tom site i spied the support section. typed my model number in and there was (surprisingly for an 8 year old satnav) a software update.
downloaded tomtom desktop, plugged the init in and did a complete backup.
selected the update which took about 10mins and the unit is transformed! works just like a new one andlocks on superquick.
i must stress that i need the satnav as i am a contsruction manager who has to visit lots of developments as part of my working week, not really got the time to write down the route(s) and wouldnt feel safe reading them on the move anyways. generally i know where i am heading for, its just when you are aiming for a particular postcode i find them invalable

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Penman



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
I've been watching this with interest.
I am an avid map reader and decide before travelling which basic routing I am going to use.
If I don't know my ultimate destination I then set the destination on my Navman with the sound disabled (I can always enable it later if needed.
I place my satnav in the right hand lower corner of the windscreen so that it is as close to the door mirror as I can get it (that way it is in a position I will be scanning but not obstructing forward view) in the transit minibus I stick it to the fixed quarter light.
Basically it is a rolling map in case I have to change my routing because of traffic holdups and a more accurate speedometer.
I agree the ETD function is useful, though not particularly accurate untill within about 20mls, On a long trip involving M/ways it tends to start of with an average of 70mph or even higher. Confused

Sometimes I just have it switched on without any routing, just using it as a rolling map/speedo.

Map updates are so expensive it is cheaper to get a new(end of line) one, about as often as you would replace your road map
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penman wrote:

Map updates are so expensive it is cheaper to get a new(end of line) one, about as often as you would replace your road map


That's very true...we used to have a Peugeot with built in satnav, and on the whole it was very good, however the maps software was not new enough to include the Birmingham toll road, a road I use quite frequently, it used to amuse me watching the map as we ploughed through fields and occasionally crossed the original A5, so the satnav desperate to help would for a short time navigate from that !

I went to our local dealer with the intent of purchasing an updated CD.... It was about £140 Shocked ... So I put up with crossing fields round Birmingham Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,I have used Chinese satnavs for a long time without the problems described. This is possibly because they use iGo software & not TomTom or Garmin. My current unit has a 5" screen, with free map updates for life,
(OK so far) & has been well tested on routes I know before being trusted.
The only time it has let me down was when I mis-typed a postcode. I use it mainly on a full screen speedo setting as the Triumph speedo is not accurate.
The map runs one touch away if I need it & if I do go off route it tells me, & then just one touch & it recalculates. If I'm going somewhere strange I always look at Google maps first &, as Roger says, drive the route & pick out markers. I still carry my big map book though. Belt,braces & a piece of string
to be sure,to be sure. All for about a third of the price of TomTom or Garmin.Cheers,JD.
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