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peter scott



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking very smart Peter. Side by side before and after shots would be good.

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colwyn500



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peter scott wrote:
Looking very smart Peter. Side by side before and after shots would be good.

Peter

I have that all covered Peter. I am going to check the Exif details on my original shots from 2009 and try to repeat the main images for a direct comparison. Actually, the more similar the before and after ones are, barring dirt and rust, the happier I will be.

Must wait until the wheels are finished and it's all had a good clean though.
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kevin2306



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks great, cant wait for the tyre/wheel reveal!

Kev
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colwyn500



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought that none of the wheels would be salvageable. I bought two new ones a while ago and had a useful offer of some renovated ones off another car which was stymied by the difficulty and costs of delivery from England to Scotland.
So I got stuck into a couple this morning with wire brushes. Here they are drying in the sun after degreasing with one that I have given up on.
BRA_7844 by peterthompson, on Flickr
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colwyn500



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a trade version of an aerosol silver wheel paint by Tetrosyl and matching clear lacquer from my local motor factors. Three coats of the paint followed by two of the lacquer and the job was quickly done. I could see a slight difference with the pre- painted new wheels (the one with the black inner rim), so gave them a few coats too. The original paint was very thin and easily rubbed through.
The result is actually a gun-metal colour which is what I really wanted to match the factory shade. A few days' hardening then on with the tyres.
BRA_7845 by peterthompson, on Flickr
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kevin2306



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Proper job! Just need to get the tyres fitted without them getting trashed!
What rubber are you fitting?

Kev
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colwyn500



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be fitting my own tyres Kev, to avoid risk of damage to the rims so soon after doing them.
The tyres are the original style Pirelli Cinturatos although I like the profile of the Michelin cross plies that were on some of the rims.
It's amusing to see the E-ratings on the label how poor they come out compared to modern profiles and tread patterns. They are 125-12's.
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kevin2306



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking on, I dont suppose those rims will fit standard wheel balancing machines?
When I got my new tyres fitted to the refurbed rims, I got the fitted to fit the tyres from the inner face of the rim not the side on show, just incase any damage happened.

Kev
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colwyn500



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's just the way I do them Kev. I probably won't even try to get them balanced, just see how it goes. The wheels are small diameter and I obviously won't be going fast. I think Tony struggled to get a garage to balance them.
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Bitumen Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

colwyn500 wrote:
That's just the way I do them Kev. I probably won't even try to get them balanced, just see how it goes. The wheels are small diameter and I obviously won't be going fast. I think Tony struggled to get a garage to balance them.


Perhaps you could rig up something along these lines http://www.frost.co.uk/static-wheel-balancer.html if you have difficulties?
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vitesse



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you need to prime them first Peter?

Yes I did have problems getting mine balanced, TBH the car isn't the most smooth or quiet ride around I doubt you would even notice if they were a little bit unbalanced.
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colwyn500



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vitesse wrote:
Did you need to prime them first Peter?

Yes I did have problems getting mine balanced, TBH the car isn't the most smooth or quiet ride around I doubt you would even notice if they were a little bit unbalanced.


...my car will be even more unbalanced once the driver gets in Laughing Although the engine tickover is the smoothest on any 500 I have ever seen (at the moment.)
Yes I did look into DIY balancing and it can be done fairly easily.The problem will also be that the newly made wheels are Tig welded rather than the huge factory spot-welds of the originals and I think they may naturally be fairly out of balance.

I did prime them with some etch that I had left in an aerosol and then several coats of high-build as thick as my little spray nozzle would let me. I could have made them very smooth if I had the patience but after nearly six years, that commodity is running low!

Whilst the wheels are off I will be fitting the rear brake cylinders and "adjusting" the seized handbrake. Then a whizz round all the unions which have deliberately been left until the whole brake-pipe layout is finalised. I do have to make a short piece at the front where an extra length must be needed to accommodate for RH drive.

I have briefly checked the dynamo and it looks like there is some sort of internal problem with it that I should have made certain of before replacing the brushes. Not an easy job taking it off now but with the light at the end of the tunnel facing me, it doesn't seem too bad.
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vitesse



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had lots of little leaks on the unions for the brake pipes after I had filled the system for the first time. I was a bit too cautious when I first tightened them up and had go around afterwards after discovering little drips on the garage floor. There are an awful lot of joints for such a little car and quite difficult to get to on the master cylinder. Plus I didnt use copper pipes this time, I am not sure what metal they are made of but they were a bugger to bend the short ones. Obviously I had to bleed the brakes again afterwards.
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kevin2306



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a few little leaks on the brakes too, nothing serious. Biggest issue I had with the singer was air in the system. In the end, I got 3 different color of brake fluid and made sure each fluid was pushed through and replaced with the new color. Got there in the end!!

Kev
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colwyn500



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys aren't filling me with confidence. I hope to have no problems though, as I have had some recent practice with pipework
KNO_3258 by peterthompson, on Flickr
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