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Rick Site Admin

Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 22791 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 7:19 pm Post subject: Technological dead ends? |
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What vehicle-related inventions were announced triumphantly by the people behind them, and were lauded in the press, only to fade from view without catching on and disappeared without trace, despite their promised benefits?
For instance, I'm not sure that exhaust-fed under-floor heating was ever going to catch on, yet was available as an aftermarket accessory in the 1910s/1920s
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Peter_L
Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 2680 Location: New Brunswick. Canada.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Not so much technical, but the reverse slant rear window (Anglia & Classic) were hailed as "safety aids" because rain was not supposed to obscure rearward vision. |
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mikeC

Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1809 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Those Edwardian electric cars were never going to work, were they
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Peter_L
Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 2680 Location: New Brunswick. Canada.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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I don't remember when, but many years back I was given a quantity of old motoring magazines. (Long since sold). There was one article that has stayed with me. It concerned dipping headlamps and described in detail the solenoid powered system that moved the reflector to deflect the beam down and to the left. One part of the text talked about twin filament bulbs, reflectors and refractor ground lenses. In short it dismissed each and all as being the answer. Correct dipping would only ever be achieved my mechanical re-alignment of the reflector.
Refer to Citroen DS and more recent models. Did they have something ? could it be that moving the light is the best way ? |
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ka

Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 600 Location: Orkney.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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I hesitate to print this, but wasn't the C5 a wonderful idea? or even the BMW C1? _________________ KA
Better three than four. |
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Peter_L
Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 2680 Location: New Brunswick. Canada.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Pushing the topic a little more "off topic". Why does the United States persist with Red rear direction indicators. ?
Volvo pushed the design limits by placing Rear Light Clusters, as high as they could. Did aesthetics kill this idea ? |
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Peter_L
Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 2680 Location: New Brunswick. Canada.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| ka wrote: | | I hesitate to print this, but wasn't the C5 a wonderful idea? or even the BMW C1? |
The C5 was a good idea in the wrong world. |
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mikeC

Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1809 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Penman
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4866 Location: Swindon, Wilts.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
There was a proposal/suggestion in the 50's or 60's that all car glass including H/light glass and mirrors should be polarised on a particular diagonal, it was stated that this would obviate the need of dipping because any light visible from other vehicles wouldn't dazzle as it had to pass through 2 oppositely polarised panes of glass.
I think it was on Tomorrow's World.
But they didn't mention all the previously made vehicles which wouldn't be so equipped. _________________ Bristols should always come in pairs.
Any 2 from:-
Straight 6
V8 V10 |
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goneps
Joined: 18 Jun 2013 Posts: 601 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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An idea I distinctly recall from Tomorrow's World when a mere callow youth was a modified articulated lorry fifth wheel to prevent jack-knifing. In essence it was a sort of clutch arrangement that would lock the articulated sections together, possibly under braking. This seemed like such a simple and effective idea I can't believe it was never taken up.
Another, from the same programme and also heavy transport-related, comprised mud flaps which looked like over-sized doormats made from material similar to artificial grass. The idea was that spray from the truck and trailer tyres would be trapped by the 'grass' surface and run harmlessly down to the road in a stream, whereas conventional flat mudflaps actually exacerbate the problem. The difference was spectacular, scarcely any more spray than a family saloon would make. How on earth could this simple and inexpensive yet so effective (and so necessary) idea have been allowed simply to fade into oblivion?
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Penguin45

Joined: 28 Jul 2014 Posts: 384 Location: Padiham
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 12:47 am Post subject: |
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Ultimately, and after a decent run - hydrolastic suspension.
P45. _________________ '67 Wolseley MkI 18/85, '70 Austin MkII 1800 The Landcrab Forum. |
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Ronniej
Joined: 02 Dec 2008 Posts: 239 Location: Blackwood, by Lanark, Scotland
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 7:11 am Post subject: Technological dead ends? |
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I recall reading a description of a proposed anti-dazzle device.
The details are a bit hazy but the idea was that cars would have a rear-facing "headlight" mounted on its offside running board.
As two cars approached the drivers would "dip" their lights which would extinguish their headlamps and illuminate the rear-facing light.
This would mean the cars would pass using the other's lights for forward vision.
In a perfect world it may have worked but the obvious shortcoming is what would happen when a car using this device passed one without it.
In more recent times the "square" steering wheel fitted to early Allegros seems like something born to fail.
I recall an experiment in road engineering that seemed to work but has not been adopted: The crash barriers in the central reservation were fitted with vertical slats which were angled to shield drivers from the dazzle of cars on the opposite carriageway. This experiment was run on the road leading to the Forth Road Bridge, perhaps members living in this area might know why it was discontinued?
Perhaps we could also discuss an idea that works only too well and has spread like a plague. I speak of the speed-hump. I do accept that they may have a place in some sensitive areas but road engineers seem to have adopted them universally, possibly because they are much cheaper than other methods of traffic calming.
In my view there are far too many of them, many are also much steeper than they need be and some are poorly marked. They are tiresome in a modern car but deadly to an oldie.What do others think? |
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Dipster
Joined: 06 Jan 2015 Posts: 408 Location: UK, France and Portugal - unless I am travelling....
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| goneps wrote: | An idea I distinctly recall from Tomorrow's World when a mere callow youth was a modified articulated lorry fifth wheel to prevent jack-knifing. In essence it was a sort of clutch arrangement that would lock the articulated sections together, possibly under braking. This seemed like such a simple and effective idea I can't believe it was never taken up.
Another, from the same programme and also heavy transport-related, comprised mud flaps which looked like over-sized doormats made from material similar to artificial grass. The idea was that spray from the truck and trailer tyres would be trapped by the 'grass' surface and run harmlessly down to the road in a stream, whereas conventional flat mudflaps actually exacerbate the problem. The difference was spectacular, scarcely any more spray than a family saloon would make. How on earth could this simple and inexpensive yet so effective (and so necessary) idea have been allowed simply to fade into oblivion?
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The former was the Hope anti jack knife device. It was taken up by some but the weight (always important in transport) and cost plus the small risk of jack knife accidents put many off. Then the introduction of ABS sounded the end I think.
The latter firstly cost the truck owner money for no benefit to him and was, I think, too heavy and cumbersome in use. |
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roverdriver

Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Posts: 1210 Location: 100 miles from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 10:49 am Post subject: |
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There were many examples of wheels with the spokes being springs. The idea being to create a more comfortable ride and/or have the ride advantage of pneumatic tyres, but the no puncture advantage of solid rubber ones. Ackerman was one brand, but there were many others. _________________ Dane- roverdriver but not a Viking. |
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Penman
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4866 Location: Swindon, Wilts.
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