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Billf
Joined: 01 Jul 2011 Posts: 202 Location: North Cyprus.
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MikeEdwards
Joined: 25 May 2011 Posts: 2740 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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If you look in the "disposal" section, it shows the colour the product goes after it's been used a bit. Looks just like the used jug of citric acid I've got on the bench now, a sort of dirty yellowy-green colour. The effects on the workpiece look quite similar to citric as well.
Can't see the price, that seems to be "POA" for international customers, so I can't compare - I last bought 2Kg of citric acid powder (which I think will make around 2 gallons of solution) for £8 in February. |
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PAUL BEAUMONT
Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Posts: 1281 Location: Barnsley S. Yorks
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MikeEdwards
Joined: 25 May 2011 Posts: 2740 Location: South Cheshire
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| So, £30 + p&p for 1 US gallon. I can't tell from that whether it's used as-is, or whether it needs to be diluted. Still seems expensive to me, though not as expensive as some other products. I'm sure it's good stuff, just seems to be similar to citric to me. |
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colwyn500
Joined: 21 Oct 2012 Posts: 1745 Location: Nairn, Scotland
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Under the technical section it talks about the metal going grey or black. I would sat that it's likely to be phosphoric acid.
You can get unbranded acid for about £15 for 5 litres; it's very strong and since a posting concerning renovating rusty tools, I have been soaking a really rusty item in a dilute solution of it for several days. I'll rinse it and show a comparison tomorrow. |
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baconsdozen

Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 1119 Location: Under the car.
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colwyn500
Joined: 21 Oct 2012 Posts: 1745 Location: Nairn, Scotland
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| baconsdozen wrote: | | I cleaned up some old chrome wheels with concrete remover diluted. Its basically sulphuric acid. Phosphoric based rust killers even turn cement black,they must work though,my workshop floor hasn't gone rusty!. |
I've used diluted sulphuric a very long time ago and it's very effective. But the problem is that it's so reactive that you will find it hard to get rid of all the last traces from steel and it may seep out of seams and awkward areas causing problems of its own for a long time to come.
Phosphoric does have that tendency to make thick, crusty rust deposits turn into neutral, black iron phosphate. But if it does then you're losing the real benefit of the stuff and probably just daubing it over rust. If you can dip items in a solution of phosphoric or have the patience to keep wetting/wire brushing a panel with it, eventually every trace of rust will be removed to the extent that the item looks like it's sandblasted.
The advantage is, that after washing with water the steel will take on a dull, grey appearance, which indicates that all of the micro-pores of the steel, which start oxidising again from the moment they are clear of rust, have turned into iron phosphate. This is an excellent substrate for paint and will stay rust free, depending on the conditions it is stored in, for anything from a few days to a few weeks.
Just a photo of what were previously very rusty panels all prepped with may favourite rust remover.
JAN_1924-001 by Peter Thompson, on Flickr |
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colwyn500
Joined: 21 Oct 2012 Posts: 1745 Location: Nairn, Scotland
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