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1937 Talbot 3-Litre "garage find"
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick wrote:
Rootes75 wrote:
I can say from personal experience of my own Hillman with the big sidevalve six that its a lovely engine.

It purrs away at tickover and has a lovely powerfull rumble on pick up. My Hillman is bigger and heavier than the Talbot Rick but I can tell you she pulls very well and has a good turn of pace.


I'm looking forward to firing it up, especially with its largely-absent exhaust arrangements.

RJ


Just my four penneth; but I think I would fix the exhaust before firing her up.
Then again, if it is possible, I would also drop the sump and investigate the condition of the bottom end and oil supply first.

The 4 main bearings are shells and the big ends white metal. Fortunately, the mains can be replaced (if you can find them) without removing the crank and the big ends can be adjusted by the old method of filing and scraping the caps.

Of course, you must do what suits you.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
the big ends can be adjusted by the old method of filing and scraping the caps.



Oh No! Shocked Shocked Shocked

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your thoughts gents.

I've uploaded a second vid today which takes a closer look at the Talbot's overall condition, warts n all - inside, outside, and under the bonnet, with a few thoughts as to next steps and a plea for a few parts that I know that'll need.



The main vid is now here:
https://youtu.be/-q_ob4WlyKA


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Rick,

Interesting to see the detail. I suspect your Bakelite window surrounds would have originally been painted to match the instrument panel.

I liked the automatic choke with its little bimetallic operator in the exhaust manifold.

Your front bumper would have weights in the "mushrooms" and mounted on the spring with the humps for starting handle access.



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick, Thanks for the walk around, very interesting. I had the same thought as Peter regarding the painted window surrounds. At first glance, I thought the carb was a Carter, but I think you said Zenith. I really admire the cockpit in that machine. Besides the great view down the long bonnet, it has nicely laid-out instrumentation as well as that well-preserved steering wheel. I look forward to following along on this project.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peter scott wrote:
Ray White wrote:
the big ends can be adjusted by the old method of filing and scraping the caps.



Oh No! Shocked Shocked Shocked

Peter


What would you suggest ? A crank regrind and remetalling the big ends and line boring them?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I thought it had shell bearings but I see they didn't come in until 1939.

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Thanks for the bumper diagram Peter, that make sense of the many bits and pieces that were scattered inside the car and in the boot. The shield-shaped trim that I show stored in the glovebox goes in the centre of the bumper, I've now discovered. The car was a tight fit in its garage so it may have been removed to get the garage doors closed.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peter scott wrote:
Sorry, I thought it had shell bearings but I see they didn't come in until 1939.

Peter Embarassed


Yes. However, The 4 mains are shells. I read that they can be replaced by first loosening the caps then removing two caps and sliding the upper shells round and out. When they are replaced (assuming the journals are O.K.) the other two can be tackled similarly.

I think the thrust washers can also be changed without removing the crank but I am not certain.

Like you, I also noticed the automatic choke. I would think it might need checking out before trying to stat the engine or temporarily disconnect it and operate the choke manually. It might be stuck.

Rick says the battery is 12 volts. If so, I would suggest this is a later upgrade. I understand it should also be positive earth so perhaps that is worth checking out too.

I am looking forward to seeing Rick having a peek underneath...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
they can be replaced by first loosening the caps then removing two caps and sliding the upper shells round and out.


Yes, I did this with my SS after some cheap remake main shells wore out in 1000 miles! I was very fortunate to find a proper set of 30 thou Glacier shells and fitted them and they have been wonderful by comparison.

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It's 12v from new according to the handbook I found, which makes life a bit easier when at play.

There's a shiny '39 S-T 3-Litre here: https://www.gumtree.com/p/other-cars/classic-investment-car/1390008762. The photos in the ad confirm that the hand pulls in the rear compartment of mine are original, and the position of the small shield fitting that goes on the front bumper.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick wrote:
It's 12v from new according to the handbook I found, which makes life a bit easier when at play.

There's a shiny '39 S-T 3-Litre here: https://www.gumtree.com/p/other-cars/classic-investment-car/1390008762. The photos in the ad confirm that the hand pulls in the rear compartment of mine are original, and the position of the small shield fitting that goes on the front bumper.

RJ


Your front seats are nicer - and original!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neither is it a runner.....for that price???
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alastairq wrote:
Neither is it a runner.....for that price???


It's seems a bit strong at that, agreed

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would want to know what was wrong with it.

A non runner could just mean just about ANYTHING!!!

(not wishing to scare you there Rick! Wink )
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