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Ray White



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:47 pm    Post subject: Unusual automatic Reply with quote

http://www.wgvormgevers.nl/isettablog/images/pdf/smiths_selectroshift.pdf

Never heard of this until today. Thought it might be of interest.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds good. Until I read on to the description I imagined a centrifugal clutch a bit like those used on the little Honda 50 although I did wonder how they could claim that it never wears out.

I guess it wasn't quite as good as they describe it or it would be in common use in other vehicles.

Interesting find though.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



I think my Dad would have been interested. After WW2 he made a prototype automatic clutch on the centrifugal principle which he intended for servicemen who, like his friend, has suffered the loss of a leg. His clutch was fitted to a Morris 8 and worked quite well ...but someone had already patented a similar idea so it never came to anything. Rolling Eyes

I wonder how well the Smiths device works in this Isetta ?

https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1513110


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if the clutch part of the Standrive system was of a similar mechanism, though that was of course operated by a switch in the gear lever knob..
The auto clutch for the early Hillman autos was built by Smiths and I think that was elctromagnetic.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penman wrote:
I wonder if the clutch part of the Standrive system was of a similar mechanism, though that was of course operated by a switch in the gear lever knob..
The auto clutch for the early Hillman autos was built by Smiths and I think that was elctromagnetic.


https://www.magnette.org/history/manumatic-clutch
A similar idea.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smiths Easidrive: http://www.andymurkin.net/Hillman/Hillinfo/Easidrive.html

Looking at the Rootes offering in the workshop manual it certainly looks quite complex both mechanically and electrically and occupies 55 large pages. It also only has 3 forward gears and reverse.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hillman Easydrive was so unreliable, by the early sixties dealers would only take them in part exchange offering a very low price. Common practice was swop the Easydrive badge for a De Luxe and send it through the auctions hoping no one would notice.
I always found clutchless transmissions horrible to drive. Proper automatics great, manuals no problem, but clutchless just didn't seem right.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my Advanced Police Vehicle Examiners course, part of our final exam asked us to describe two forms of transmission. I had just been reading the Smiths EasyDrive manual for Rootes vehicles the weekend before, I couldn’t resist. The next day one of the instructors told me the examiners had never heard of it and had to look it up. I passed. I have always been awkward. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main problem with the Hillman system was caused by people trying to pull away in too higher gear
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