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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7075 Location: Derby
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:08 am Post subject: French temptress... |
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Quite where you start and where you finish with this one is a moot question. It could be a class act if done well.
https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1671850
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mikeC

Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1808 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2024 9:16 am Post subject: |
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That will be a labour of love; it doesn't make economic sense at that price - there's a UK-registered up-and-running example (admittedly a fixed-head coupe rather than a tourer) for sale for similar money.
https://www.prewarcar.com/595818-1922-delage-d2-fixed-head-coupe _________________ in the garage: 1938 Talbot Ten Airline
Recently departed: 1953 Lancia Appia, 1931 Austin Seven, 1967 Singer Chamois, 1914 Saxon, 1930 Morris Cowley, 1936 BSA Scout, 1958 Lancia Appia coupe, 1922 Star 11.9 ... the list goes on! |
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7075 Location: Derby
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2024 10:22 am Post subject: |
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There does seem to be a much smaller market for pre- War cars these days; regardless of their lineage. Beneath the crusty surface is probably hidden something even crustier . Even if you did most of the work yourself, the cost of white metal bearing renewal alone is eye-watering now.
I would expect delivery to my door included at anything like that figure - which - I agree - is pretty steep.
( I had my Dodge Brothers given to me for free because it was a non runner and needed work ...and that had fully restored coachwork.) |
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Rootes75
Joined: 30 Apr 2013 Posts: 4170 Location: The Somerset Levels
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2024 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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This may be a silly question but right hand drive?
Or was it not for the French market. _________________ Various Rootes Vehicles. |
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mikeC

Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1808 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2024 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, most quality cars were right-hand drive for the French market - even up to WW2; you won't find a left-hand drive Bugatti, Delahaye, Talbot-Lago, etc. Delage, in fact, were one of the few that did offer left-hand drive, but many were rhd. _________________ in the garage: 1938 Talbot Ten Airline
Recently departed: 1953 Lancia Appia, 1931 Austin Seven, 1967 Singer Chamois, 1914 Saxon, 1930 Morris Cowley, 1936 BSA Scout, 1958 Lancia Appia coupe, 1922 Star 11.9 ... the list goes on! |
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7075 Location: Derby
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2024 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Of course Delage was 're - founded' in 2019 and have launched their 2.3 million pound hypercar.
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Rootes75
Joined: 30 Apr 2013 Posts: 4170 Location: The Somerset Levels
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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mikeC wrote: | Yes, most quality cars were right-hand drive for the French market - even up to WW2; you won't find a left-hand drive Bugatti, Delahaye, Talbot-Lago, etc. Delage, in fact, were one of the few that did offer left-hand drive, but many were rhd. |
Any reason why they were produced as right hand drive? _________________ Various Rootes Vehicles. |
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mikeC

Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 1808 Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Snob value, perhaps. A rhd chauffeur-driven limousine would allow the driver kerbside access to open madam's door?
Alternatively, tradition. Practically all continental cars were rhd until Citroen came on the scene in 1921, and most were still rhd throughout the twenties Amilcar, Salmson, BNC etc). _________________ in the garage: 1938 Talbot Ten Airline
Recently departed: 1953 Lancia Appia, 1931 Austin Seven, 1967 Singer Chamois, 1914 Saxon, 1930 Morris Cowley, 1936 BSA Scout, 1958 Lancia Appia coupe, 1922 Star 11.9 ... the list goes on! |
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7075 Location: Derby
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2024 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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There are numerous hypotheses given for why some Countries have adopted either the left or right side of the road to drive on.
I believe the origins go back way before the advent of the motor car. It is a given that most people are right handed. In the past, those with the wherewithal would ride a horse and - as in a joust - they would pass another rider approaching them on the left side of the road in order that they would have their right hand free for welding their sword.
France, in more enlightened times, established the practice to not go about ones business armed with a sword and to demonstrate this, it became the norm to ride on the right; which is how things are in Europe today; ostensibly a token of peace and good will to one's fellow man.
Carriage drivers, however, were slow to change and continued to sit on the right; a tradition that continued with the development of the motor car. Again, as with those being transported in carriages, the first motor cars were the sport of the very rich. It is no accident, therefore, that the likes of Delage continued to produce cars with RHD which would often have been chauffeur driven.
Eventually it became apparent that with the rapid increase in traffic, overtaking slower moving vehicles was somewhat hazardous with the driver on the right, so LHD became the norm.
I am unfamiliar with the American story, but they also started with RHD ... however, I expect it had more to do with British influence, which gradually waned. Interestingly, Ford started with RHD but eventually switched to LHD. I presume once that happened, the rest of the American motor industry followed suit.
Those are just my thoughts.
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alastairq
Joined: 14 Oct 2016 Posts: 2117 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Not forgetting, there may have also been issues regarding the routing of stuff like steering, etc under the front of the vehicle which meant some makers had to use either RHD or LHD... _________________ Dellow Mk2, 1951 built, reg 1952.
Fiat 126 BIS
Cannon special [1996 registered. Built in 1950's]
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Ford Pop chassis, Ashley 1172 bodyshell, in pieces. |
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Ray White

Joined: 02 Dec 2014 Posts: 7075 Location: Derby
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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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alastairq wrote: | Not forgetting, there may have also been issues regarding the routing of stuff like steering, etc under the front of the vehicle which meant some makers had to use either RHD or LHD... |
I suppose economic pressures would also have prevented 'top drawer' firms from making major design changes; this entailed them carrying on with the same chassis as they had always used.
Eventually, as bespoke coachwork faded away and their businesses were bought out, quality car makers found they had greater flexibility and were able to offer complete vehicles with either LHD or RHD depending on customer demand.
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ukdave2002
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 4231 Location: South Cheshire
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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately or fortunately if you are a buyer, this is unlikely to meet the asking price... if it were a Mk1 Fiesta the seller would be quids in! at ?10,000, one couldn't restore this economically
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Pre war and now to 60's stuff prices have dropped significantly in the last 18 months. |
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