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Do you like or dislike the new dashboard ?
Yes I do like the new dashboard
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No I do not like the new dashboard
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badhuis



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Ray, have to say this once. All the extra trouble you have by insisting the polarity to be kept "original" being positive ground. As we can all see in your (excellent!!) blog there are many things to your car that are not original anymore (the electronic flasher a good example), why oh why did you not change the polarity? Would have been so so much easier.

Please keep us informed about the progress to your TC. Hope it all goes well in the end (and that the end is near).
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

badhuis wrote:
Sorry Ray, have to say this once. All the extra trouble you have by insisting the polarity to be kept "original" being positive ground. As we can all see in your (excellent!!) blog there are many things to your car that are not original anymore (the electronic flasher a good example), why oh why did you not change the polarity? Would have been so so much easier.

Please keep us informed about the progress to your TC. Hope it all goes well in the end (and that the end is near).


Hi Badhuis. I cannot expect readers to have followed, let alone remembered every detail that I have recorded of the build.

As it happens, I wish I had converted the electrics to negative earth from the start ... but there were reasons why I didn't and which I explained at length at the time...and they had nothing to do with originality.!!!

When I bought the TC I had no previous experience of a positive earth car and really had no idea the trouble it would cause.

Bearing that in mind, I went ahead and purchased a positive earth distributor and dynamotor along with other positive earth items that I thought would be suitable for the TC. This was a considerable expenditure but it was not until later that I realised it would have been better to have changed the polarity...by which time I had invested quite heavily in positive earth parts and to change polarity would have meant reversing much of the work and paying out all over again.

It is of course easy to be wise with the benefit of hindsight.
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ukdave2002



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2026 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ray

Positive earth its self doesn't make things more complicated other than there are fewer modern devices made for positive earth which in its self has made the design more challenging!, certainly positive earth won't have any impact on reliability.

What I believe you have aimed to achieve with the cars electrics, is better functionality, performance and safety, being somewhat bespoke there are bound to be development snags, and you have been sorting this out, this has been compounded with less than perfect repro components together with aging 80 year old components !

One observation is that every time you, for example add a relay in to a circuit, it typically doubles the amount of electrical connections, thus doubling the chance of any sort of connection failure. Now modern vehicles probably have 1000x more electrical connections than your TC has, and on the whole they are pretty reliable, but the motor industry has moved to using the type of connectors and connector protection that originated in the aviation industry, i.e. they tend to lock and have high levels of environmental protection , you simply won't find simple Lucas type exposed connections on a modern, or bulb contacts that rely simply on the springiness of a bulb holder etc.

One simple method that I have adopted in the wiring of older cars, is where there is a wire to a screw terminal is firstly strip the cable with precise strippers to ensure that the strands are not damaged (we debated this on the forum a couple of weeks ago) and then fit a ratchet crimped Eye, Fork or Boot Lace Ferrule, add a smear of Contraube 770. I did this when I wired my MGA 12 years ago, and have not had a single electrical contact problem. Remembering that any crimped terminal has to be the correct size of the wire gauge.

Yes you have made a bit of a rod for your own back with the additional electrical complexity, Mad but work through it and you will reap the benefits in the long term. Smile
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2026 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:
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....One simple method that I have adopted in the wiring of older cars, is where there is a wire to a screw terminal is firstly strip the cable with precise strippers to ensure that the strands are not damaged (we debated this on the forum a couple of weeks ago) and then fit a ratchet crimped Eye, Fork or Boot Lace Ferrule, add a smear of Contraube 770. I did this when I wired my MGA 12 years ago, and have not had a single electrical contact problem. Remembering that any crimped terminal has to be the correct size of the wire gauge....


Probably because it is the way I have always done things, I don't have any crimped connections. I have only ever used soft solder; mostly bullet but also spade and ring connectors. I happened to inherit a large stock of them.
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JC T ONE



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2026 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
ukdave2002 wrote:
Hi Ray



....One simple method that I have adopted in the wiring of older cars, is where there is a wire to a screw terminal is firstly strip the cable with precise strippers to ensure that the strands are not damaged (we debated this on the forum a couple of weeks ago) and then fit a ratchet crimped Eye, Fork or Boot Lace Ferrule, add a smear of Contraube 770. I did this when I wired my MGA 12 years ago, and have not had a single electrical contact problem. Remembering that any crimped terminal has to be the correct size of the wire gauge....


Probably because it is the way I have always done things, I don't have any crimped connections. I have only ever used soft solder; mostly bullet but also spade and ring connectors. I happened to inherit a large stock of them.




I think both ways are good = depends on the job at hand.

Not as lucky as you Ray, so I had to buy the correct crimping tools, from Auto Sparks UK, together with a selected collection of connectors, both for solder, and crimping.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2026 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soldering terminals is fine, the thing to avoid is bare stranded cable in screw connectors, if you don't have any boot lace ferrules or ring connecters, tin the cable first.
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2026 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:
Soldering terminals is fine, the thing to avoid is bare stranded cable in screw connectors, if you don't have any boot lace ferrules or ring connecters, tin the cable first.


SO....you would tin the ends of the wires where they are screwed down?

I have just this morning found a screw loose on the fuse box. This, understandably, was causing problems with my main beam. Now tightened...

...but better tin the ends of those wires!

(You will make a sparks out of me yet!!! Laughing )

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2026 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(You will make a sparks out of me yet!!! Laughing )


When a mid-teenager, I went to sea as a nav. apprentice in the merchant navy.

I discovered the Electrical Engineer Officer was also referred to, by the Indian crew, as the ''Batty Wallah!''

It stuck, of course, and the Lecky didn't like it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2026 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alastairq wrote:
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(You will make a sparks out of me yet!!! Laughing )


When a mid-teenager, I went to sea as a nav. apprentice in the merchant navy.

I discovered the Electrical Engineer Officer was also referred to, by the Indian crew, as the ''Batty Wallah!''

It stuck, of course, and the Lecky didn't like it.


He could have put them on a charge! Razz
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2026 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting back to TC 10030. The new flasher unit (the third one Shocked ) arrived today so I fitted it. The indicators now work.

Unfortunately, all my mistaken messing with the warning light has meant that IT now no longer works!!.

Why can't I Just leave well alone???

The problem is the poor fit of the bulb in the holder. It is a poor design. It is possible to get illumination by pressing the bulb sideways in the holder. I have already added some extra brass shim stock to the inside of the holder but it isn't quite enough. I am presently thinking of what I can wedge against the bulb to get a good earth. It doesn't want to be too much pressure but it needs to be secured in a way that it doesn't shake loose.

One thought I had was to sweat a small blob of solder onto the bulb cap ...but that is such a poor bodge. I hate bodges. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2026 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
Getting back to TC 10030. The new flasher unit (the third one Shocked ) arrived today so I fitted it. The indicators now work.

Unfortunately, all my mistaken messing with the warning light has meant that IT now no longer works!!.

Why can't I Just leave well alone???

The problem is the poor fit of the bulb in the holder. It is a poor design. It is possible to get illumination by pressing the bulb sideways in the holder. I have already added some extra brass shim stock to the inside of the holder but it isn't quite enough. I am presently thinking of what I can wedge against the bulb to get a good earth. It doesn't want to be too much pressure but it needs to be secured in a way that it doesn't shake loose.

One thought I had was to sweat a small blob of solder onto the bulb cap ...but that is such a poor bodge. I hate bodges. Rolling Eyes

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It was either a 76 Stag or 82 911 where I had problems with the rear lamps, down to the connectors, so I ended up soldering the incandescent bulbs both case and bulb terminal directly into the loom, worked fine but I always felt guilty for whoever had to change a future blown bulb! Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2026 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:


It was either a 76 Stag or 82 911 where I had problems with the rear lamps, down to the connectors, so I ended up soldering the incandescent bulbs both case and bulb terminal directly into the loom, worked fine but I always felt guilty for whoever had to change a future blown bulb! Embarassed


That is terrible! Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
ukdave2002 wrote:


It was either a 76 Stag or 82 911 where I had problems with the rear lamps, down to the connectors, so I ended up soldering the incandescent bulbs both case and bulb terminal directly into the loom, worked fine but I always felt guilty for whoever had to change a future blown bulb! Embarassed


That is terrible! Laughing

"No" It's effective! and who ever needs to replace that bulb will realise it was done for "a reason"!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 5:31 am    Post subject: Loose Bulb Reply with quote

Have you tried a small coil spring to keep it against the glass?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be inclined to do what''we'' used to do in times past? Nip down to a scrappies with a tesco carrier bag, and extract pile of different bulb holders?

Originality can only go so far....and replacing old & broken, with fake new [& useless] is rather defeating the object of 'getting something working,' in my eyes.

Years ago, when I did long distance trials in an altered Skoda Estelle...where 'reliability' was king....I had issues with the headlamp connectors....Or rather, the type of metal the contacts were made of [by PAL?}
So, a trip to a scrappy with a Tesco bag in hand, and a pair of snips, saw me visit various Japanese vehicles to remove their headlamp wiring connectors..then splice these into the Skoda's wiring. Never had issues with flickering headlamps after that.

What the eye cannot see, the heart, etc etc???
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