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low auction estimate for Alvis Speed 20
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badhuis



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2026 7:09 pm    Post subject: low auction estimate for Alvis Speed 20 Reply with quote

One of the most desirable saloons of the late 30s, an Alvis Speed 20.
Humbert & Ellis have two on their auction which close on July 27.



This car has a guide price of GBP4,000 - 6,000. Are they missing a zero? Seems very low to me especially when reading the description:
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The body has already been restored, the engine is reported to be in good order but will need some minor recommissioning.

The interior is approximately 90% trimmed, requiring only installation and finishing.


https://humbertellis.com/bidding/modern-classic-cars-27072026-35/6-1936-alvis-speed-20-sd-for-light-recommissioning-517

There is another one as well, unfortunately in bits.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2026 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 'Come and get me' estimate...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2026 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pre war prices are so unpredictable at the moment Shocked
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2026 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw that and told Jean I had found "the one".

She quite rightly suggested it was an unrealistic figure and I agreed.

IF ONLY!!

My neighbour and long time friend would be green with envy if I bought that one to do up. He is a dyed in the wool Alvis guy and has a lovely 12/50 tourer that he shows.

BTW would that be Cross and Ellis coachwork?

...or perhaps by Charlesworth. The dismantled car used to have a Charlesworth body ...but it has long gone.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2026 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't suppose the mention of ''asbestos'' in the padding has anything to do with the reluctance of bidders?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2026 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alastairq wrote:
I don't suppose the mention of ''asbestos'' in the padding has anything to do with the reluctance of bidders?


Maybe it is what halted work on the car?

While it is lawful to sell a property that contains asbestos (providing the purchaser is made aware) I believe it is strictly illegal to sell any mobile item that contains asbestos.

Might the auction house find itself in hot water ? Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2026 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray White wrote:
alastairq wrote:
I don't suppose the mention of ''asbestos'' in the padding has anything to do with the reluctance of bidders?


Maybe it is what halted work on the car?

While it is lawful to sell a property that contains asbestos (providing the purchaser is made aware) I believe it is strictly illegal to sell any mobile item that contains asbestos.

Might the auction house find itself in hot water ? Shocked

There are exemptions selling vehicles that are over 30 years old containing asbestos so the auction house is fine, if it were illegal then a high proportion of older vehicles would not be able to be sold given the previous extensive use of asbestos in brake/ clutch linings, exhausts and gaskets etc up until the late 90's.
What is illegal is to sell components even for older cars that contain asbestos, a few years ago we had to dispose of a load of NOS head gaskets for pre war Morrises or risk a hefty penalty for each sale Confused
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Ray White



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2026 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukdave2002 wrote:

What is illegal is to sell components even for older cars that contain asbestos, a few years ago we had to dispose of a load of NOS head gaskets for pre war Morrises or risk a hefty penalty for each sale Confused


Thanks for clarifying that. My Dad lost some of his workmates to Asbestos. He used to work for a company that made head gaskets (among other things) that contained asbestos. I remember him saying you could see the stuff floating about in the air.!
This of course was in the early 1960s when we didn't realise the risks.

Almost everyone smoked then, too. Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2026 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 kilometers away from where I grew up was a factory that used asbestos to make heat shields. You would find these shields in chimneys and around central heating. Also large sheets of asbestos plates were used in houses, beneath roofing tiles. Plus of course the corrugated sheets for farmer sheds.
Farmers around the factory could pick up broken asbestos sheets for free, these were then hammered down into little particles and these were used to harden pathways and roads. Many roads in our area were light gray in colour, these contained the asbestos.
I slept for four years in my little attick room, asbestos plates covered roof from the inside.

But, in use in houses and for sheds, these asbestos building materials were not that dangerous. As long they were not broken or too rough cleaned (sanded).
30 years ago I made the mistake of hard-brushing the moss covered asbestos roof of the garage I had. It was a dusty business.... After cleaning I realised that maybe that was not the best idea, and not one to repeat! Roof is long gone now, removed by a specialised company.

My family has no one who has negatives health issues regarding the asbestos, maybe we are lucky!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2026 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re- the asbestos noted in the Alvis? I think a lot of folk will be put off by the sheer costs involved, of disposing of any of the stuff, so stringent are today's regulations in the UK.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2026 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can dispose of asbestos at our local council tip, you have to book in advance , they have a locked sealed skip, but its really only for sheets or solid bits of asbestos. What would worry me about this car is that is that sound deadening is not solid like brake or clutch linings, so more likely that dust or small fibres that could be inhaled.

My father knew a garage owner who's son died from asbestosis, they reckoned it was from blowing dust out of brake drums , the father had had far more exposure than the son, I suppose a bit like smoking some people get away with it.

Nasty stuff, you can see why it would put bidders off, does make me wonder what other vehicles have it but know one is aware ?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2026 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alastairq wrote:
Re- the asbestos noted in the Alvis? I think a lot of folk will be put off by the sheer costs involved, of disposing of any of the stuff, so stringent are today's regulations in the UK.


Council recycling centres (erstwhile tips!) typically charge between 6 and 12 pounds to accept bagged up asbestos. The stuff must be double wrapped in 1000 gauge plastic and taped securely..

They may refuse to accept your hazardous waste... which to my mind could lead to dangerous fly tipping.!
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